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re: Fake injuries

Posted on 9/22/24 at 12:54 pm to
Posted by Crimson K
Tuscaloosa
Member since Dec 2018
5821 posts
Posted on 9/22/24 at 12:54 pm to
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Alabama does this all the time vs UT. They'll do it again in Neyland this year


Saban was pretty adamant about not doing it. I’d love for you to find an example.
Posted by Pickle_Weasel
Member since Mar 2016
4381 posts
Posted on 9/22/24 at 12:56 pm to
Did you include when you hillbillies trashed your field and it caused a very long delay in the game in that 5 hour window? Or, did you conveniently forget about that?
Posted by BigOrangeVols
Knoxville
Member since Jul 2015
3082 posts
Posted on 9/23/24 at 10:07 am to
I get what you're saying, but I would argue that scenario improves player safety overall. While it's not ideal to have them out a series if it's not their fault and is to address legitimate concern, it does improve the liklihood that injuries are adequately assessed/addressed and not just played through - while also providing enough repurcussion to prevent it being used as a clock management tool. Maybe instead of series you make it a set number of plays or personnel change or something of that nature.
This post was edited on 9/27/24 at 6:42 am
Posted by ChapelHillSooner
Chapel Hill
Member since Dec 2020
894 posts
Posted on 9/23/24 at 10:13 am to
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When it is obvious a penalty or a forced timeout is used, and if you don’t have any timeouts, then it’s an automatic penalty for delay of game. They seriously need to take a look at this after the season and reviewing this isn’t going to slow down the game anymore than a fake injury does. While team is dealing with said player, the booth can review and instruct the field officials rather to throw flag or assess timeout to the team.

We have seen teams do this for years against teams that run fast. Ole Miss did it to Tennessee in Heupel first year and that allowed that game to be over 5 hours.



I hate to see OU do this but as a team who was running hurry up before almost anyone else, this tactic has been used against us so many times that had become a joke.

I don't think you can play the game in an asymmetric way. If your opponent is using a tactic like this you have to consider using it. The impetus is on those in power to make rule changes not to ask teams to stop doing something that is being done against them.

Nobody should get on their high horse about this. Every team does it now.

As for rules, I think the best would be to require that a player who leaves for injury has to sit out until either a change of possession or a timeout. Really injured players need to be evaluated so it makes sense. A player that is injured due to a personal foul would be excepted.

I think the one concern is that a player with something minor like a cramp won't leave because of the rule and risk a more serious injury. I think that is a minor concern at most.
This post was edited on 9/23/24 at 10:19 am
Posted by Landmass
Premium Member
Member since Jun 2013
21354 posts
Posted on 9/23/24 at 10:15 am to
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They turned the game into over 5 hours


You hillbillies losing your shite made the game run long. Plus, they took commercials every time a whistle was blown.
Posted by LafourcheTiger
Avarua, Cook Islands
Member since Mar 2009
2183 posts
Posted on 9/23/24 at 10:19 am to
That’s some Alabama/Auburn shite right there
Posted by AlaCowboy
North Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
7353 posts
Posted on 9/23/24 at 10:23 am to
10RC is the only team that complains about the officiating after a big win.
This post was edited on 9/23/24 at 10:24 am
Posted by ChapelHillSooner
Chapel Hill
Member since Dec 2020
894 posts
Posted on 9/23/24 at 10:26 am to
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You’d be all for it till it screws your team over. Let’s say your Star DE gets chop blocked and stays down but without real injury.


For starters any personal foul would allow the player to return immediately.

If it were easy enough to take a player off the field with legal hits and a team was willing to intentionally do it, that team would already be doing it.

I think of a scenario where a QB gets a legal hit and hurts his throwing hand but is able to return a couple of plays later. That is not something a team could engineer at will.
Posted by Pickle_Weasel
Member since Mar 2016
4381 posts
Posted on 9/23/24 at 10:28 am to
Yep, there was a 20 minute delay because TN fans were pissing their pants over the officials and they trashed their own field - completely stopping the play of game.

Tennessee was fined $250k for being such bitches as a result.
Posted by Swampcat
Member since Dec 2003
11665 posts
Posted on 9/23/24 at 10:29 am to
Every one does this! EVERYONE
This post was edited on 9/23/24 at 10:30 am
Posted by Landmass
Premium Member
Member since Jun 2013
21354 posts
Posted on 9/23/24 at 10:30 am to
Remember when the UT fans tried to say that Ole Miss visiting fans started the throwing?

I'm sure a bunch of our white hair traveling fans started to get upset at us winning.
Posted by Dawgfanman
Member since Jun 2015
24856 posts
Posted on 9/23/24 at 10:30 am to
Tenn does this as well..
Posted by bamameister
Right here, right now
Member since May 2016
16593 posts
Posted on 9/23/24 at 10:31 am to
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When it is obvious a penalty or a forced timeout is used, and if you don’t have any timeouts, then it’s an automatic penalty for delay of game.


You have to stay creative on defense. Muscle spasms are an oldie but goodie. A little limp can suggest anything. May just be a ding that you can walk off on the sidelines.

What's wrong with the old helmet popping off? No penalty, just a safety issue. The guy has to go off for a play and he's back. The thing is be creative and get fresh troops in and the needed personnel for down and distance.

Beep, beep offenses have a license to steal given the constant running 40-second clock. Unless defenses get creative to take advantage of rules that protect player's safety. I love college football.


Posted by ConcreteThreshold
Denver, CO
Member since Jun 2017
1586 posts
Posted on 9/23/24 at 10:36 am to
Yeah, I don’t care about this at all.

Want to speed up the game to your advantage? Have some counter play within the rules.

This wasn’t an issue when the turbo offense wasn’t a thing - at least not to the extent it is today. It’s the offenses that are doing this.
Posted by thunderbird1100
GSU Eagles fan
Member since Oct 2007
70882 posts
Posted on 9/23/24 at 10:57 am to
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I think it's completely reasonable to say that if you go out due to injury that you have to sit out the remainder of the possession - I think that's enough to disincentivize without penalizing legitimate injury concerns.



I think this needs to be bare minimum for any player that has to be helped off the field/stops play. If you can get off on your own and dont stop play, then come back whenever. If you stop the clock to be helped off, cant re-join until the following possession bare minimum.

Sadly I still dont think that decreases these happening that much, ultimately teams do this to avoid something much worse from happening - call not in yet, players not in yet, etc...I think teams will still tell some player to go down to preserve a TO to get extra TOs basically.

I know they will never do it, but I would almost make it a reviewable/challengeable play for "faking" an injury and if they deem you did it to just stop play - unsportsmanlike personal foul 15 yard penalty. Gotta make it harsh to get it to stop. Maybe say they can use a TO to avoid the penalty but if no TO available then the penalty has to be enforced. This is such a subjective call in the end that I know the NCAA doesnt want to be responsible for but it tends to be so obvious when the other team is faking the injury to stop play.
Posted by AgentOrange186
Member since Jan 2018
88 posts
Posted on 9/23/24 at 11:08 am to
Good lord, what a bunch of limp-wristed soccer sissies in this thread. Celebrating your teams faking injuries because they can't get lined up as fast.

figs
Posted by CatfishJohn
Member since Jun 2020
17045 posts
Posted on 9/23/24 at 11:17 am to
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Im proud to say ole miss would never do this



Sarcasm, I assume

Posted by AwgustaDawg
CSRA
Member since Jan 2023
11533 posts
Posted on 9/23/24 at 11:25 am to
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If the offense can exploit the substitution rules, so can the defense.

Cry more.


I agree completely. Running tempo is part of the game that has created the flop. Don't like the flop do away with the tempo. That ain't happening and neither is any kind of penalty for an injury fake or not. Its simply part of the game.

That said Oklahoma may not have been faking. They haven't played many SEC games and their players were probably unaware of what hitting looks like in the SEC. If its as bad as it was in their first game by the time they have played 7 more SEC games they may be unable to crawl to the line of scrimmage. It was UGLY......
Posted by RelentlessTide
Member since Feb 2020
3606 posts
Posted on 9/23/24 at 11:26 am to
Auburn introduced fake injuries to the SEC
Posted by BevoBucks
H-town
Member since Dec 2022
5791 posts
Posted on 9/23/24 at 11:27 am to
Choklahoma went Premier League on your arse...
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