BrianFantana

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10-12 years minimum it takes to become a foreman, usually 15 to become a super and 20 or so to become a PM

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In my experience you're way off on your numbers because it all depends on the person. We had a guy we were moving to super within 3 years because he was a hard worker and knew his stuff. You seem to be coming from the industrial side of things and that's just not been my experience with general contractors and sub contractors. I can go to any of our jobs sites and youll see assistant supers, supers, APM's and PM's that are below 35 and most of the time below 30. That's for GC's and other commercial trades.

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What about PTO and vacations? 2 Weeks as soon as you start and that increases with longer you're with the company.
Quality of life? Such an objective question that only each person can determine for themselves.
Ability to work from home or remotely? You obviously can't do that if you're required to be in the field. But you get a gas card, plus company truck or a truck allowance.
Retirement packages and 401K matches? Fidelity up to 5% match.
Health insurance options that includes things like free or discounted gym memberships? Yep.
HSA's? Yep.
Working in the A/C? Nope but our foreman aren't working foreman so they just literally supervise.
What about long term vertical growth? Yep. Will pay for you to be trained to get your license and our first look for PM's or estimating starts with field personnel.
Abilty to work with the same company but move to a different state or country? You can't with our company but you can with a lot of national/regional subcontractors.

"tons of money right out of the gate" is a HORRIBLE reason to make a career choice.

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Commercial Construction Subcontractor here. Just sharing that commercial is better than Residential if you're not an owner in residential.

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People want to bash college degrees over trades but never speak of the working conditions/environment and often lack of retirement, Healthcare and PTO of said trades.

The hell with working in an attic all day in August in south Louisiana, cleaning out a septic tants, unclogging tampos every month in the projects.

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Everyone in this thread bitching about the trades continually uses residential construction analogies to make their point. I will not push my kids into trades within service or residential construction but the money within commercial construction is there and will continue to grow. Most commercial subcontractors will pay and train you to get licensed.. our supers arent working foreman and make good money 70-125k depending on experience and time they've been with us. We've brought in two supers to be PM's in the past couple of years from the field but most of our guys want to stay in the field because the headache of management outweighs them supervising in the elements because they really dont do a whole lot besides layout.

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This is a bigger issue than most will admit. Basically have two generations of adults that don't know the difference between "needs" and "wants".

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This will always be my take on it. I dont think the majority of millennials understand needs vs wants. I think you can still live relatively cheap if you're willing to sacrifice a bit and be uncomfortable at times. What percentages of millennials are making a sandwich or something cheap a few nights a week instead of something more expensive vs going out or god forbid uber eats. What percentage of millenials have a side hustle or two? My parents are comfortable now but damn did they struggle and work their arse off with multiple jobs. I think it should be a requirement for people constantly bitching about "boomers" to show their monthly budget. Because at the end of the day it will always be that it isnt about what you make, it's about what you spend.

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we just need someone like Coker who can consistently move the chains and be average at throwing the ball

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You think Coker beats UGA last year? Because instead of having Kiffin as the OC you have Rees... and instead of turning around and handing it to D Henry you have Roydell and Jase. Like you guys are freaking delusional with this hate.

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I’m arguing with a Q-tard. It just hit me.

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You are a prime example why bullies are needed in this world. There are some insufferable people on here but your responses in this thread alone puts you in the top 5.

That if I turned on the overhead light in the car my entire family would be thrown in jail.

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Easy way to not have Daddy Ball issues is simply to not coach your kid. I’d recommend that. I had times when I’d be coaching in the same league my sons played in but I wouldn’t be coaching them. They’d be on other teams. And I told them don’t come to me if you have a problem with your coach. I’m not gonna solve your problems. Neither is your mother. This is preparing you for life for when you might have a boss that you might not see eye to eye on. You be mature and work it out.

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This is beyond strange to me... So would you miss your sons games to coach other peoples kids in the same league?

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Library card fees is an odd one -- society as a whole benefits from libraries but "conservatives" hate education so this makes sense in that context I suppose.

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You sound like the type of person that supports "This Book Is Gay" being in school libraries.

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Wife is home with one toddler while other two are in elementary school. Waiting on her to go back to work. I am ok supporting us right now but she isn’t the best cook and the house is still a disaster to come home to most days.

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This would drive me absolutely crazy if my wife was a "homemaker" as multiple people have stated in this thread. If you are a stay at home mother or father... I would expect the house to be spotless, all cooking and laundry to be done by them during the week. If your "job" is homemaker then you should be completely responsible for all those aspects of the home in my opinion.