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re: Does defense still win championships?
Posted on 1/15/15 at 9:26 am to MrAUTigers
Posted on 1/15/15 at 9:26 am to MrAUTigers
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I disagree. The reason tOSU won was because they converted some HUGE third downs on O. Oregons O shot itself in the foot on crucial third down plays as much as it was tOSU stopping them.
So, Oregon's offense - one of the most efficient in the country all season long - suddenly just lost their shite and forgot how to play football? Had nothing to do with tOSU's defense at all, huh?
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Posted on 1/15/15 at 9:27 am to higgs_boson
What is it that held oregon to 20 points?
Posted on 1/15/15 at 9:29 am to higgs_boson
I'm late to the tread but if you watched the sugar bowl and NC game, you saw that the best defense won. So I'll say yes.
Also, Oregon's D was much better than FSU's.
Also, Oregon's D was much better than FSU's.
Posted on 1/15/15 at 9:45 am to higgs_boson
Yes, OSU proved it holding Oregon to just 20 points in spite of 4 TO's that could have easily led to TD's for Oregon.
Posted on 1/15/15 at 9:48 am to davesdawgs
DEFENSE still wins CHAMPIONSHIPS!
Posted on 1/15/15 at 11:18 am to higgs_boson
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When it's good, yes. That's why Oregon lost... Ohio state doesn't have the best defense in the country but it was the difference in the NCG.
yep. oregon moved the ball pretty well, they just stalled in the red zone and couldn't convert on 3rd and 4th downs. ohio state's defense wasn't dominant and they gave up yardage, they just made plays the plays that oregon's D couldn't.
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I do think you need a dynamic offense these days. OF course, you also have to possess a defense good enough to make key stops, but I tend to agree the 3 yards and a cloud of dust is probably not enough to get you there anymore.
this pretty much sums it up.
Posted on 1/15/15 at 11:22 am to Nissanmaxima
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Held Oregon's high powered offense to 20 points.
OSU did...but OSU also had a pretty efficient offense that kept Oregon off the field while scoring points.
We are at a point where a defense can't carry a team like they used to be able to. You have to score points in order to keep the pressure off the defense.
Posted on 1/15/15 at 11:23 am to GregAl
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Yes. Ohio State's defense shutting down Oregon's offense won the game.
they didn't shut them down. it wasn't a dominant defensive performance by ohio state, it was more of a bend but don't break. oregon killed themselves with those 2 drops and red zone inefficiency, then not being able to stop ohio state on a bunch of third and longs. as a few people have mentioned earlier, they won with great offense and "good enough" defense.
Posted on 1/15/15 at 12:17 pm to 632627
In 2010 Auburn won the NC with a defense that ranked about 60th in the country in scoring as well as 60th or so in yards allowed per game. Stellar isn't the word to describe that defense. Average would be the correct term. Out of 120 or so teams Auburn came in right in the middle of the stats that you use to measure good defense.
The only stat on defense that Auburn was above average in was rush defense. We finished #19 in the country in that stat and got torched everywhere else.
There are about two things I've noticed over the years that championship caliber teams have in common.
1)They run the ball effectively(usually in the top 20 in rushing)
2)They stop the run on D(again usually in the top 20)
You do those two things well and you're a good football team.
Defense doesn't win championships. Never has. That's just an old cliche. The team who scores the most points wins championships.
the way you do that is by running the football better and stopping the run better than other teams can. Simple.
The only stat on defense that Auburn was above average in was rush defense. We finished #19 in the country in that stat and got torched everywhere else.
There are about two things I've noticed over the years that championship caliber teams have in common.
1)They run the ball effectively(usually in the top 20 in rushing)
2)They stop the run on D(again usually in the top 20)
You do those two things well and you're a good football team.
Defense doesn't win championships. Never has. That's just an old cliche. The team who scores the most points wins championships.
the way you do that is by running the football better and stopping the run better than other teams can. Simple.
Posted on 1/15/15 at 12:45 pm to TruBlu4AU
One data point,excellent.
Posted on 1/15/15 at 12:50 pm to Wanderin Reb
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So, Oregon's offense - one of the most efficient in the country all season long - suddenly just lost their shite and forgot how to play football? Had nothing to do with tOSU's defense at all, huh?
Did you watch the game? Oregon drove it down the field on their first drive. They didn't have a minus yardage play on the drive. On the second drive, on third and maybe four, Mariota hit his WR between the numbers...........and he dropped it. On their third drive, on third down, Mariota hit a wide open guy 40 plus yards down the field, in his hands.....and he dropped it. Oregon shot themselves in the foot more than what tOSU was doing on D.
Posted on 1/15/15 at 12:53 pm to makersmark1
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Texas A&M used turnovers and a blocked FG with an excellent passing game to beat us.
We executed that butt fumble to perfection. As a matter of fact, most of our defensive trick plays involved the male butt in some way, shape of form.
Posted on 1/15/15 at 1:03 pm to higgs_boson
I think It still does but the stats that matter have changed a bit. I think things like tackles for loss, sacks, and of course turnovers are more telling stats than total D or even scoring D. I think that's why Bama has struggled recently; not enough negative plays. Spread teams will run inside and throw screens all day successfully. They get in trouble when they lose 5 yds on 1st or 2nd down and have throw down field on 3rd. There are some exceptions, but many spread QB's are glorified RB's who struggle in drop back passing situations.
Posted on 1/15/15 at 1:03 pm to higgs_boson
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I agree with these points, but I think the days of only scoring 21 and winning a championship are gone now.
That is all OSU would have needed Monday night?
Posted on 1/15/15 at 1:04 pm to higgs_boson
If Auburn's D makes a stop last year - AU has another title.
So, yes.
So, yes.
Posted on 1/15/15 at 2:01 pm to higgs_boson
Relative to the type of game being played, yes it does. Even with two dynamic offenses in the title game, one team got into a defensive groove and could have won the game with 21 points. That was a heck of a defensive 2nd half that OSU threw against the Mighty Ducks. Just look at recent history. 'Bama's defense stoned two opponents in '11 and '12.
Posted on 1/15/15 at 2:05 pm to higgs_boson
No. A defense that can hold a team to 30 will win a NC if their offense can hang 40 on anyone.
One day someone will figure out the spread, and it will probably be an offensive guy who gets bored and flips to defense.
One day someone will figure out the spread, and it will probably be an offensive guy who gets bored and flips to defense.
Posted on 1/17/15 at 11:58 am to greenbastard
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We executed that butt fumble to perfection.
That's funny.
However, you did enough to make us pay for our mistakes. That is how wins happen.
Posted on 1/17/15 at 12:26 pm to higgs_boson
Yes. Everybody (except LSU) has an offense capable of scoring plenty of points. Defense makes the difference though. Who has a defense that is going to create turnovers or get the stops in big spots? Ohio St created turnovers and Alabama on three straight drives in the 4th quarter that started around midfield in the Sugar Bowl. Ohio St shutdown Oregon's high powered offense as well. It's no mistake that Alabama plays defense better than anybody (in general) and has won half of the last six titles. Auburn won a defensive struggle with Oregon.
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