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Posted on 6/11/18 at 12:39 pm to LanierSpots
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I am interested in how you somehow think UGA is a bigger power. You guys did one good year. Last year. ON the other hand, Auburn has had much more national success than UGA in the past 20 years. You cant count what has not happened yet.
You would think being a UGA fan, you cant count your chickens before they hatch. And I am not being a dick, just honest.
That was addressed for TD so I can't speak for him but I'll give my two cents. For starters we're kind of just shooting from the hip since there isn't a clear definition of "national power". Me personally, I think of it as pretty recent, like 5-8 years at a time. Take a school like Oregon, around that 2007-2014 era they were clearly a prominent national team expected to compete for BCS/playoffs every year. I doubt you'd find anyoen today that considers them a national power right now though. Same with Tennessee from the 90s all the way up to like 2007. Ask someone in 2007 and they'd say UT is undoubtedly a national power, ask them 5 years later in 2012 and probably not.
Posted on 6/11/18 at 12:39 pm to CBandits82
Most people will acknowledge Auburn football as a top 15 program (probably somewhere between 13-16 I'd assume).
That means your thread is essentially a debate on what constitutes a "blue blood" or a "national power".
That means your thread is essentially a debate on what constitutes a "blue blood" or a "national power".
This post was edited on 6/11/18 at 12:40 pm
Posted on 6/11/18 at 12:40 pm to tylerdurden24
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Power is something that fluctuates year to year and isn’t judged over 5 and 10 year stretches (that’s more Relevance IMO) and I think it’s pretty clear that UGA has more momentum and is trending upward at a quicker pace than Auburn right now. That’s not to downplay what Auburn is doing and can do but UGA is coming off an SEC Championsip, a Rose Bowl Victory, a national championship appearance, and the #1 recruiting class. Meanwhile, Auburn has gotten overshadowed a bit by Bama and Georgias success in light of ending the year with 2 straight losses. Still plenty to like and be excited about Auburn in 2018 but the momentum is decidedly favoring UGA right now in that comparison
I agree that we are overshadowed by Bama but so are the other 130 programs in D1. But UGA has had 1 good season as of late. That does not make you a national power and does not erase the past seasons where you were a very mid pack program in the SEC. A time where you could not even win your own division when the only two programs in that division were both bottoming out (UT and UF).
It takes more than one year.
Posted on 6/11/18 at 12:42 pm to WG_Dawg
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That was addressed for TD so I can't speak for him but I'll give my two cents. For starters we're kind of just shooting from the hip since there isn't a clear definition of "national power". Me personally, I think of it as pretty recent, like 5-8 years at a time. Take a school like Oregon, around that 2007-2014 era they were clearly a prominent national team expected to compete for BCS/playoffs every year. I doubt you'd find anyoen today that considers them a national power right now though. Same with Tennessee from the 90s all the way up to like 2007. Ask someone in 2007 and they'd say UT is undoubtedly a national power, ask them 5 years later in 2012 and probably not.
So are we saying its "year to year" since UGA had a great season last year. But still not finishing it? I mean does that mean that UGA is more of a National Power than Florida State? I dont think so. I think 90% of the fans, not connected to either, would consider FSU a bigger National Power than either UGA or Auburn
Posted on 6/11/18 at 12:44 pm to LanierSpots
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am interested in how you somehow think UGA is a bigger power. You guys did one good year. Last year.
Just so happens that Last year is the most relevant year in a discussion of current.
Posted on 6/11/18 at 12:44 pm to CBandits82
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Is Auburn good enough to be considered a national program?
Yes, of course.
They are #12 all-time in AP Poll points. They have 2 National Titles. Currently the only program to have an AP Top 5 finish in every single decade since the 1950s.
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Does the Auburn name resonate throughout the country like Notre Dame,Alabama, Texas, USC, Ohio State and Michigan?
No, not to that level.
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Is Auburn close to being a blue blood, just on the outside looking in?
It depends on how you dfine "blue blood". In my opinion, I think there are 16 "elite" programs with the Top 8 or 10 easily achieving "blue blood" status.
Alabama, Oklahoma, Notre Dame, Ohio State, USC, Texas, Michigan, and Nebraska are certainly "blue bloods".
Tennessee and Penn State are arguably blue bloods.... they both certainly were 15 years ago but its debatable now.
LSU, Georgia, Auburn, Florida St., Miami, and Florida are all elite programs but probably not quite "blue bloods".
So yes, I think they are close to being blue blood.
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How do you view the Auburn program?
Solid program. They seem to have very high highs and very low lows, but when it averages out, they are a solid program.
Posted on 6/11/18 at 12:44 pm to RD Dawg
Is your definition of blue bloods that they have at least one dynasty in the past? If so what about Miami?
Posted on 6/11/18 at 12:46 pm to LanierSpots
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But UGA has had 1 good season as of late. That does not make you a national power
Excatly why he didn’t say uga is a national power.
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takes more than one year.
No shite, which is why uga isn’t a national power in his opinion
Posted on 6/11/18 at 12:47 pm to WG_Dawg
Look at Ol Dubs over here making sense.
Posted on 6/11/18 at 12:48 pm to LanierSpots
Never said we’re a power, only that we’re close. And as WG said, there doesn’t seem to be a clear definition of what power means though I think I’ve been pretty clear of what I take that to mean and I think I’ve done an adequate job of explaining my reasoning. What UGA did more than 3 years ago seems irrelevant to the Power discussion given that we are a different team under a new coach. Nobody would bring up Clemson tripping over its own dick 5-10 years ago as a reason they’re not a Power now. And let’s not act like Auburn has been this force for the past 5 years; 8-5, 7-6, 8-5, and 10-4 in the CFP era isn’t exactly screaming Power by your “as of late” metric
Posted on 6/11/18 at 12:49 pm to LanierSpots
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So are we saying its "year to year" since UGA had a great season last year.
I never claimed we were a national power. I said that I think that determination is based on a few year cycles at a time though. Basically, AU playing for a title in 2013 doens't really make them a "national power" in 2018.
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But still not finishing it?
As much as this is an attempt to downplay our season, there is no way to say our season wasn't great. SEC champions, rose bowl victory, OT in the national title game. Sure we didn't "finish it" but it was absolutely a fantatsic season any way you look at it.
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I mean does that mean that UGA is more of a National Power than Florida State?
No I wouldn't say that. Their last 4-6 years prior to this one is far far better than ours.
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I think 90% of the fans, not connected to either, would consider FSU a bigger National Power than either UGA or Auburn
I'm not disagreeing wiht you?
I also see that in TD's original post he said:
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UGA right on the cusp of that status if another good year in 2018 and a title run in 2019
If that were to play out, you'd have a title appearance in 2017, a "good year" in '18 whatever that means, and another title run in '19. Would that 3 year stretch not make us a national power at the time?
Posted on 6/11/18 at 12:49 pm to viceman
Recent success coupled with past dynasties but I can see a case for the U if they can get back to national prominence under CMR.
Posted on 6/11/18 at 12:51 pm to djsdawg
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Excatly why he didn’t say uga is a national power.
I was responding to this statement
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only Bama is a solid national power with UGA right on the cusp of that status if another good year in 2018 and a title run in 2019
UGA with one good year and "if" you do good this year and win the tittle next year.
One of my points was that you cant count what has not happened. You guys are no guarantee to be where you were last year in any year coming up. Hell if Auburn made a title run this year, we would have 3 in the past 8 years. So if we are gonna play the "if" game, that would be better wouldn't it?
But if we are playing the one year game, I guess Alabama, UGA, Clemson and Oklahoma are the only National Powers
Congrats
Posted on 6/11/18 at 12:54 pm to WG_Dawg
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If that were to play out, you'd have a title appearance in 2017, a "good year" in '18 whatever that means, and another title run in '19. Would that 3 year stretch not make us a national power at the time?
Sure and if Auburn wins the SEC this year and the National Championship next year, that would be a three year stretch that would make us a National Power... Its a fun game
Posted on 6/11/18 at 12:56 pm to LanierSpots
“On the cusp” means he is saying uga isn’t a national power, and he specifically says that it would take a couple more strong seasons to reach that level, and he didn’t guranteee that uga would reach that level.
This post was edited on 6/11/18 at 12:57 pm
Posted on 6/11/18 at 12:57 pm to Ross
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was including Ole Miss a trolljob or something?
yes, I think the op has a sense of humor about it
Posted on 6/11/18 at 12:59 pm to LanierSpots
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Sure and if Auburn wins the SEC this year and the National Championship next year, that would be a three year stretch that would make us a National Powe
you're correct, and I don't think anyone would disagree with you.
You seem to be hung up on TD's hypothetical and pointing out it hasn't happened yet, which we obviously know. It's also why none of us UGA fans have claimed uga is a national power, but could be if those things played out..
Posted on 6/11/18 at 1:28 pm to WG_Dawg
Auburn has won the nation’s toughest division 3 times, has been to 2 natties, won 2 SEC titles and won a BCS title during Saban’s 10-year reign of terREC.
The 3 seasons before Saban arrived at Bama, Auburn was on a 33-5 run with another 13-0 season and SEC title.
We are certainly a “power” but our consistenly tough schedules and questionable coaching moves have made consistent winning very difficult.
The 3 seasons before Saban arrived at Bama, Auburn was on a 33-5 run with another 13-0 season and SEC title.
We are certainly a “power” but our consistenly tough schedules and questionable coaching moves have made consistent winning very difficult.
Posted on 6/11/18 at 1:32 pm to CBandits82
Is Auburn considered a National Power? Yes
Is Auburn considered a blue blood? No; but IMO Bama, Ohio State, and USC are the only respectable “blue blood” programs remaining.
How do I view Auburn? Hate them, but only because a few of my closest friends graduated from AU.
Is Auburn considered a blue blood? No; but IMO Bama, Ohio State, and USC are the only respectable “blue blood” programs remaining.
How do I view Auburn? Hate them, but only because a few of my closest friends graduated from AU.
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