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Posted on 2/18/24 at 5:51 pm to DawginSC
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But Michigan did something different this year. They had very good talent, but their QB wasn't elite. He was just good.
Bama did this numerous times
LSU in 03 & 07
UGA with Bennett
Posted on 2/18/24 at 5:54 pm to DawginSC
They benefited bc Kirby got Saban’d and they ended up not playing the best team in the country bc only 4 teams could make the playoff.
Georgia would’ve wiped the floor with Michigan but Kirby unfortunately psyched himself out against Saban again. Now that he’s gone Georgia will probably run college football.
Georgia would’ve wiped the floor with Michigan but Kirby unfortunately psyched himself out against Saban again. Now that he’s gone Georgia will probably run college football.
Posted on 2/18/24 at 5:56 pm to DawginSC
It's been known that a team full of seniors is a huge help for the success of a college football team for a long arse time now.
How do you think Jimbo was able to pull off his Orange Bowl year at A&M?
How do you think Jimbo was able to pull off his Orange Bowl year at A&M?
Posted on 2/18/24 at 6:03 pm to DawginSC
No they just got lucky that Georgia wasn't in the playoffs
Posted on 2/18/24 at 6:44 pm to DawginSC
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Did Michigan show a new way to build a national championship team?
I think it was mostly just Michigan having a really good team in a bit of down year for the elites in terms of talent. No one else out there as good as 2021-2022 UGA, 2020 Bama, 2019 LSU, 2018 Clemson.
Posted on 2/18/24 at 7:14 pm to Globetrotter747
Harbaugh is a good coach. Mix that with a senior-led team and you end up with some good results.
Posted on 2/18/24 at 7:51 pm to DawginSC
Sure you can beat elite recruiting with very good recruiting and elite experience, but it isn’t sustainable year to year for obvious reasons. The stars only align with that many experienced seniors every 3-5 years and then it all crashes again. Which is how winning titles used to be built back when CFB was a regional sport prior to 4 or 5 super teams hogging all the talent with national recruiting. Fans of top teams don’t have the patience for 12-0 followed by 8-4 anymore.
Posted on 2/18/24 at 8:33 pm to DawginSC
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The second is to have "very good" recruiting combined with an elite QB. This is how Clemson won titles with Deshaun Watson/Trevor Lawrence, Auburn won with Cam Newton and LSU won with Joe Burrow. Just
The 2019 LSU team wasn’t just “very good recruiting” with an elite QB
19 of the 22 offensive & defensive starters on that team were drafted by the NFL. 30 players on the 2019 LSU roster were on NFL rosters in the 2023 season. I’d say that’s elite recruiting.
This post was edited on 2/18/24 at 8:35 pm
Posted on 2/18/24 at 8:53 pm to geauxnavybeatbama
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I think every team would like seniors to come back. Nothing ground breaking here
What Michigan did, besides cheating - never forget the cheating - is what a pile of teams have done to win a natty…build a team and keep them together 4 years. It’s highly unusual today but it’s kind of what CFB used to be - minus the cheating, never forget the cheating.
Posted on 2/18/24 at 8:56 pm to DawginSC
If you don’t think Michigan had elite talent then you didn’t watch the game. First time in a while that I saw Bama D line and O lines getting pushed back.
Posted on 2/18/24 at 10:22 pm to DawginSC
Michigan did what every good team that won prior to the portal did. Combined elite talent with tons of experience to win. The portal has just made CFB nfl jr
Posted on 2/18/24 at 11:00 pm to DawginSC
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managed to win a title without elite talent
They'll have more players drafted than any other team in CFB and could set record for most players drafted in the modern draft.
The very definition of "elite talent"
Posted on 2/20/24 at 8:51 am to lsusteve1
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Bama did this numerous times
LSU in 03 & 07
UGA with Bennett
UGA and Bama had elite talent across the board (UGA/OSU/Bama are the only teams with that high level of talent currently).
Back before Saban started bringing in #1 classes over and over again at Bama, LSU was in the top tier of talent in college football so could use the "talent across the board but not elite QB" method. Bama has since upped the top tier of talent and LSU didn't up their recruiting game to stay with them. Only UGA and OSU did (and even then for OSU it took a few years to catch up with Bama. It took UGA longer until Smart had been there for 4-5 years).
Posted on 2/20/24 at 8:58 am to RD Dawg
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They'll have more players drafted than any other team in CFB and could set record for most players drafted in the modern draft.
The very definition of "elite talent"
Not really. They have a large number of seniors (44) coming out in one draft, but their number of players drafted from this team won't begin to touch even UGA's 2021 squad. UGA's players were just drafted over several drafts, not all coming out in one season like will happen with Michigan.
Michigan has 2 5-star recruits on their team compared to 18 for Bama. They had 45 4-stars compared to 56 for Bama.
They just had the majority of their talent all in the senior class thanks to covid super seniors and redshirting.
Kansas State under Snyder often did the same thing, using transfers to get loaded senior classes every few seasons. But they couldn't get enough in those senior classes to compete for national titles. Michigan was kind of able to do it. I'm not sure if that was a covid-only type scenario (which means it won't happen again) or if the transfer portal makes it something teams could do going forward.
Posted on 2/20/24 at 9:13 am to Lucado
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Michigan just broke the record for the number of players invited to the NFL combine (previously held by LSU after the 2019 season). They had elite talent.
They had a lot of very good, very experienced talent. Of those 18, most of them will be 3rd-5th round type picks.
They were definitely talented, but that defense was a sum greater than the parts type unit because of the combination of (1) elite coaching/scheme, (2) solid talent and (3) loads of experience. They all did things right, all read plays the same way and almost never made the sorts of mistakes that 99% of college defenses routinely make.
This post was edited on 2/20/24 at 9:14 am
Posted on 2/20/24 at 9:40 am to SummerOfGeorge
And yet they trailed in the fourth quarter to Alabama and the Tide had a real chance to win that game in regulation.
Credit to Michigan for not making a mistake and making the plays when they had to.
Credit to Michigan for not making a mistake and making the plays when they had to.
Posted on 2/20/24 at 9:50 am to SidewalkTiger
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I just think there was no real elite team
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Georgia may have been the best team in the country, credit to Alabama for putting together a plan to win that game.
I agree. Throw in Michigan, Texas, and Washington and I don't think there is a clear cut best team among the five. Hell, you could include a full roster Fla St with a healthy Jordan Travis as well. This was the first year in recent memory where a 8-12 team playoff would have been really competitive.
Posted on 2/20/24 at 10:06 am to RD Dawg
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They'll have more players drafted than any other team in CFB and could set record for most players drafted in the modern draft.
I think this is equal parts talent and the sheer quantity of a lot of draft eligible seniors. And while I agree they had a ton of talent, I wouldn't call it elite. McCarthy is the only sure fire first round pick, and he likely wont even go top 10.
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