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re: College Athletics needs a fundamental overhaul.
Posted on 8/22/20 at 10:56 am to Harry Rex Vonner
Posted on 8/22/20 at 10:56 am to Harry Rex Vonner
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And it should be.
But it's not and never will in the near future.The entire statement is a pipe dream.
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you're of the mindset that screaming pissed off leftists simply cannot be told "no"
If you're thinking "screaming pissed off leftists" are the only proponents of title IX you're delusional.Why don't you take a poll of suburban moms and get back with me.
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The ramifications of the OP's line of thinking also plays well moving down the line to 1AA and DII
They already have different scholarship amounts and many split scholarships.
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We certainly want girls to have many opportunities as well, but at what point does the well run dry, especially with non-P5's?
Title IX ain't they boogie man when it comes P5 budgets but it's an obvious issue
with G5 and below and is gonna get even worse with their rent a wins being cancelled.
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Posted on 8/22/20 at 11:07 am to SEC7070
The fact that football pays for these other sports and their scholarships, they should feel privileged that football limits scholarships to 85. LSUs academic side even borrows money from the football program, which is self sustained. Take away from the bread winner and there's less bread for all. It's why football is untouchable and academia hates it so much. They hate having to "dumb down" their institutions yet know they couldn't flourish, in some cases survive, without it. The proverbial "don't bite the hand that feeds you" scenario. The Big 10 and PAC 12, to a lesser extent because they're already in financial trouble, are seeing and gonna see more how that scenario works for the academic world. They're gonna hemorage money this academic year with no football and giving families back room and board. College Football is a necessary "evil" to universities now.
Posted on 8/22/20 at 11:17 am to lsufanva
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The fact that football pays for these other sports and their scholarships, they should feel privileged that football limits scholarships to 85. LSUs academic side even borrows money from the football program, which is self sustained. Take away from the bread winner and there's less bread for all. It's why football is untouchable and academia hates it so much. They hate having to "dumb down" their institutions yet know they couldn't flourish, in some cases survive, without it
What's crazy is between football and basketball we are talking only 98 student athletes. Fractions of a percent of the student population. Frankly I enjoy watching us dick down the world every 4 years at the olympics in these non revenue sports. It's the greatest mindfrick on these countries who think they can try us.
Posted on 8/22/20 at 11:20 am to Harry Rex Vonner
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non-P5's simply and abruptly shutting the hell down over finances is not improbable
That has nothing to do with Title IX. P5 ADs (and even non-P5 D1 programs) have been more fiscally irresponsible the past decade than the federal government.
The gaudy stadium improvements weren’t needed. They do nothing to benefit the on-screen product, which is where the real money is.
The fact that Arkansas apparently can’t honor the contract with their ex-ex-head coach is another example of why D1 programs are struggling.
The star-chasing coaching turnover is extremely expensive. The administrative overhead for football alone is probably pricey.
The sports that exist because of Title IX are cheap.
Posted on 8/22/20 at 11:21 am to Harry Rex Vonner
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communist
Huh?
I’m the money maker should be given more opportunities to make more money
Not pay for sand volleyball and golf
This post was edited on 8/22/20 at 11:23 am
Posted on 8/22/20 at 11:35 am to PlateJohnsonIII
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That has nothing to do with Title IX.
It certainly does in the non P5 world.
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been more fiscally irresponsible the past decade than the federal government.
They've been bad but not that bad.
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They do nothing to benefit the on-screen product, which is where the real money is.
The majority of FB revenue at least at SEC
schools,still comes from ticket revenue and donations.
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ex-ex-head coach is another example of why D1 programs are struggling.
Don't disagree completely but many CFB and CBB buyouts are paid out by boosters.
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The sports that exist because of Title IX are cheap.
Cheap is a relative term especially with the cost of higher education continually skyrocketing.
Posted on 8/22/20 at 11:42 am to SEC7070
Time to stop lowering admissions standards for athletes.
Posted on 8/22/20 at 11:52 am to PlateJohnsonIII
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The fact that Arkansas apparently can’t honor the contract with their ex-ex-head coach is another example of why D1 programs are struggling.
actually we stopped paying bert because he violated his severance agreement.
as far as money goes we made 137 million last year ranking us as the 20th in the nation in terms of revenue (mistake ranked 30th at a paltry 112 million).
we're doing fine so i think we'll keep things the way they are!
now if you guys can't keep up i'm ok with mistake getting out of the big league football business. it's not like you've ever accomplished anything in football and my dad always said mississippi couldn't support two sec programs.
Posted on 8/22/20 at 11:54 am to VADawg
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Time to stop lowering admissions standards for athletes.
great!.........you go first!
Posted on 8/22/20 at 12:15 pm to VADawg
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Time to stop lowering admissions standards for athletes.
That ship sailed a long,long time ago.
Why would you wanna watch an Ivy league product anyway?
Posted on 8/22/20 at 12:32 pm to SEC7070
Or we could eliminate college extracurricular activities like sports all together and let colleges be only about education like they were intended.
Posted on 8/22/20 at 12:45 pm to VADawg
There's just gonna be a lot of athletic departments looking to cut spending wherever they can
This business about shelling out a million dollars apiece for these rent-a-win games. Yeah, I can see where coaches want that.
But an AD who has lost half his budget and is looking at serious financial problems for who knows how long might start to think otherwise. A 10 game conference schedule makes more financial sense, I suspect. Who knows, it could end up being the new normal?
This business about shelling out a million dollars apiece for these rent-a-win games. Yeah, I can see where coaches want that.
But an AD who has lost half his budget and is looking at serious financial problems for who knows how long might start to think otherwise. A 10 game conference schedule makes more financial sense, I suspect. Who knows, it could end up being the new normal?
Posted on 8/22/20 at 2:05 pm to RD Dawg
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Why would you wanna watch an Ivy league product anyway?
I'll always root for UGA, no matter who the players wearing the jersey are.
Posted on 8/22/20 at 2:50 pm to VADawg
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I'll always root for UGA, no matter who the players wearing the jersey are.
I'd like to believe you but I don't.
Perhaps 15 to 20% of fans will do this and
almost ZERO percent of the sidewalks.
IMG,Grayson and Marietta HS would all put out a superior product.
Posted on 8/22/20 at 7:48 pm to SEC7070
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Football scholarships should be reduced from 85 to 50
You can't have fewer players on scholarship than an active NFL roster. (53)
Posted on 8/22/20 at 7:57 pm to SEC7070
You are on the right track bud. Short of eliminating scholarships reducing them to a workable number and de-emphasizing the professional tone of collegiate athletics is the only way to save them. Let the NFL draft the kids they want out of HS and any year of college. That will force the schools to play and recruit real student athletes. And cut way back on the recruiting angle. Max 15 new scholarships and 50 scholarship layers per school. Or fewer. No athletic dorms or chow halls. Real students with only the school's regular tutors. Pay caps on coaches. It would get to be real fun again.
Posted on 8/22/20 at 8:29 pm to SEC7070
If you’re going to insult liberals I think the hyperbolic “baby killers” has a better effect than “do gooders”
Those dumb liberals always trying to do good.
Those dumb liberals always trying to do good.
Posted on 8/22/20 at 9:23 pm to jimdog
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That will force the schools to play and recruit real student athletes. And cut way back on the recruiting angle. Max 15 new scholarships and 50 scholarship layers per school. Or fewer. No athletic dorms or chow halls. Real students with only the school's regular tutors. Pay caps on coaches. It would get to be real fun again.
you have got to be the single dumbest sonofabitch on the planet! you literally hate college football, why do you post on a college football message board?
this golden age of football you're either so old that you're misremembering it or to young that you weren't alive to remember, either way it was hardly a golden age. before 1973 scholarships were unlimited. programs like arkansas, alabama, georgia, texas would give out 150 scholarships annually to freshman. they accepted the 105 limit in 1973 as a compromise for freshman eligibility. did players get paid? of course they did, my dad's roommate in 1951 was given a car to sign with the university of arkansas.
if you want to limit scholarships to 50 go be a fan of division 2 football they have limited scholarship and partial scholarships.
i'm sorry that you're not enjoying college football, maybe you should find a sport that you do enjoy, like say, women's softball.
Posted on 8/22/20 at 9:50 pm to chillmonster
Reducing football scholarships would make the competitive balance in the P5 much better. That’s why they did it to start with 30 years ago or however long ago it was. I would not cut it to 50 but I think cutting it to about 65 would help the league get to more like the nfl. Having 4 or 5 teams stack 4 and 5 stars on the bench makes the game less interesting overall to the common fan IMO. When you know that a handful of teams are the only ones that have any real chance of winning the national title before the season starts it takes some excitement out of the season for 95 % of the teams’ fans. Alabama and LSU and UGA could beat teams like State, OM, Arkansas, Vandy, Kentucky, and Missouri with their second string on a regular basis and that’s not hyperbole. That’s a broken system. You could redistribute the scholarships to other sports such as baseball (or name your sport) so as you aren’t taking away opportunities for scholarships from people. I’m sure the blue bloods like things exactly the way they are. I would too if my team wasn’t a piss ant. The deal is that there are a ton of piss ants because a small minority are just so powerful. It’s not your fault that you have tradition and money and a great population/ fan base. It just is what it is. If we want to make things more competitive then something has to change though. I doubt the money folks really want that, but they may if ratings drop because the common fan just gets tired of tuning in to watch a game that they know the outcome prior to the season starting.
This post was edited on 8/22/20 at 9:57 pm
Posted on 8/23/20 at 3:28 am to walley tux
CFB is now minor league professional sports. Participated in by a mix of some great kids with a much larger group of rogues who have zero business in an academic institution. Taking up valuable classroom space. The schools go hire them and then make the other students pay for their presence. The scholarship numbers should be cut by almost half and the academic requirements should be the same as the rest of the student body with a rolling average of roughly what large state supported student body freshmen
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