re: Clemson fans desperate to leave floundering ACC for the SEC

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I feel like everyone agrees that Clemson is a reasonably good fit on paper but deep down nobody wants them here

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A good fit culturally, but that has never been the concern of expansion for the last decade.

SC isn't that large of a state. Despite all of Clemson's success, SC is the larger school, with more fans, and is always ranked higher on the "most valued college football programs" list - whatever the hell those are worth. Clemson just isn't bringing in any surge of ratings or viewers etc. that would make it worth it for the SEC.

In sum, if Clemson were to come into the SEC tomorrow - each school would lose money if we had to split it 15 ways instead of 14. That's unlike adding two TX schools or the two Los Angeles schools for the Big 10 which are so large and have such massive fan bases that they can be added and still bring in more money after revenue splits.

ETA: The only way I see Clemson getting in is if there really does become a mad scramble between the SEC and Big 10 to basically become super conferences and are just adding teams to fill the ranks.

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't every team in the ACC have a ridiculous buy-out penalty for leaving the conference?

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They have a grant of rights that runs through 2036. That's the same thing that has kept OU and Texas from making the move to the SEC before the Big XII grant of rights expires in 2025.

As long as the ACC doesn't dissolve (which would require a coordinated move on the part of a majority of the conference), I don't think the ACC schools are going anywhere for a while. I can't see how it's in ESPN's interest to do something that results in every ACC team being cut loose in order to add any four ACC teams you care to name, because one to three of the schools you don't take, and Notre Dame, will immediately run to the Big 10, and that would be a net loss for ESPN any way you cut it. Giving Fox and the Big 10 Notre Dame, and entree into the Southeast (the Big 10 would take Georgia Tech in a heartbeat if ND comes along too) would be a colossal own goal.

They have always been a football school in a basketball conference

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It certainly seems like the best combination of longterm plays (brand, territory and growth potential) for the SEC are UNC, UVA, FSU and Miami

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Agree; however, don't forget Duke....in all likelihood, wherever UNC goes, so goes Duke and vice-versa. They're like a package deal.

Agree 100%

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Clemson has long felt the ACC was biased against them down through the years

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We were both the redneck stepchildren of the ACC. We were supposed to leave together. We had the nerve to leave. They stayed, and Clemson continued to endure the snot-nosed condescension of the UNC and Duke folks who ran the conference. Clemson, Duke and UNC can all rot.

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Clemson might be one of the ugliest campuses I have seen in some time. My fiancée compared it to southern Alabama. Football complex was very nice though

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That's not a common take, in my experience.

Country Living included it as one of its 25 most beautiful campuses in the south. LINK

I think Ole Miss's campus kind of looks like a UVA copycat.

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Clemson might be one of the ugliest campuses I have seen in some time. My fiancée compared it to southern Alabama. Football complex was very nice though

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But, but, but Clemson has a LAKE!!!!

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And maybe ESPN ends up paying the same total amount of money or even less when 4 schools get a big SEC raise while the other 10 in the ACC get a massive cut (paid like Mountain West or AAC schools).

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I think you hit the nail on the head with most of your post. They may actually save money by not paying for all of the “dead weight” in the ACC.

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They had their chance to leave, but felt it was better to make SC look bad and let us leave alone. frick THEM. They deserve everything they get. Don't let them into the SEC, youll only be hating that decision in a few years. They deserve to get left behind

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Ya'll afraid your assertion that Clemson can't compete in the SEC will be proven wrong.

It most likely would boost Clemson's recruiting which is already very good, given the SEC hype. And our basketball team would probably make the tournament more often which would help recruiting.

I support having two different playoffs and leagues. the new SEC and BIg 10 could have their own playoff. Clemson and the other colleges could have their own called the Rest of Ya'll Playoff.

College football has become too SEC and BIg 10 centric. We need a divorce. Break up the monopoly rather than participate in it. Clemson and other colleges moving to the SEC is a cuck move.