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re: Chris Peterson Washington stopped Air Raid
Posted on 9/28/20 at 12:13 pm to El Mattadorr
Posted on 9/28/20 at 12:13 pm to El Mattadorr
quote:Not talking shite, I just disagree.
We would've beaten you even worse midseason. Our occasional sloppiness is the only reason you stayed in the game.
LSU's players aren't even comfortable with basic things on defense yet. They weren't ready for live action. If we'd played a more conventional running team, some of that gets covered up in talent. I think the more LSU plays, the better the defense at least understands where to line up, and then eventually you can put packages in to deal with specialty attacks.
Granted, I didn't get to sit down and watch the game in detail, but did get to see it in bits and pieces. I didn't see a lot of different things from State, I saw crossing routes and wheel routes, and the defense never figuring out how to stop something simple. State kept running the same plays, LSU never forced them to do anything else.
Congrats, you guys wore LSU out, and you're ahead of schedule compared to where we are. I think by the end of the season we'll be a better team, because we have more potential. No offense meant.
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Posted on 9/28/20 at 12:15 pm to El Mattadorr
quote:LOL, Pump the brakes.
We would've beaten you even worse midseason. Our occasional sloppiness is the only reason you stayed in the game.
Posted on 9/28/20 at 12:18 pm to That LSU Guy
We allowed 17 points off turnovers, y’all need to pump the brakes.
Posted on 9/28/20 at 12:25 pm to MNW
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According to 247, State has 1 five star and 18 four stars on the current roster.
Washington State has had 15 four star players all-time
ETA: WSU has had 0 five stars
I don't think that was really his point. I think almost every agrees he will have more talent than he had at WSU. The problem is he is going to go against higher levels of talent on average being in the SEC.
That being said, he has shown many times he can out scheme more talented teams. There is a cap on that eventually though.
This post was edited on 9/28/20 at 1:08 pm
Posted on 9/28/20 at 12:48 pm to rockiee
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I don't think that was really his point. I think almost every agrees he will have more talent than he had at WSU. The problem is he is going to go against higher levels of talent on average being in the SEC.
That being said, he has shown many times he can out scheme more talented teams. There is a cape on that eventually though.
Oh I agree with his post, was just providing the numbers.
I don't think Leach is going to go out and sign top 5 classes every season, but I also believe he doesn't have to, the talent gap from the top of the SEC to State is much smaller than the talent gap from the top of the PAC 12 to WSU.
Posted on 9/28/20 at 1:10 pm to MNW
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the talent gap from the top of the SEC to State is much smaller than the talent gap from the top of the PAC 12 to WSU.
While true, I also think the coaching level(not just head coaching but coordinators and position coaches) is higher as well.
Posted on 9/28/20 at 1:14 pm to boot
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We allowed 17 points off turnovers, y’all need to pump the brakes.
Posted on 9/28/20 at 1:39 pm to boot
quote:Look, I'm not contesting that y'all wore our asses out in that game.
LSU changed their defensive scheme this year, it's different from what they ran before.
I guess you didn’t hear that we hired a completely new staff, had opt outs, transfers, and early draft picks as well. We went from a 4-3 to a 3-3-5 and most LSU fans had no clue because “it’s just State” and that’s why this loss is probably a harsh slap in the face for the tigahs.
What I'm saying is, LSU flat-out isn't "ready" yet. In previous seasons, this would have been a bland win against a cupcake that we overwhelmed on the basis of talent disparity, but nothing else would have stood out. Tackles would have been made at the line, despite not reading things right or being a bit out of position.
As it turned out, the defense is WAYYY behind the curve right now, and the offense is hesitant and unsure. And yet we were still tied at 34 in the 4th.
Posted on 9/28/20 at 1:57 pm to That LSU Guy
You'll feel much better if you just accept that the better team won the game.
Posted on 9/28/20 at 2:22 pm to El Mattadorr
quote:Did I ever say the better team did not win?
You'll feel much better if you just accept that the better team won the game.
quote:This is what's funny because now you're playing a game of "what ifs". Just enjoy your win.
We would've beaten you even worse midseason. Our occasional sloppiness is the only reason you stayed in the game.
This post was edited on 9/28/20 at 2:26 pm
Posted on 9/28/20 at 2:37 pm to boot
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and that’s why this loss is probably a harsh slap in the face for the tigahs.
So whats changed? Has the rest of the SEC changed their opinion about how good State is or how bad LSU is? Based on the posts all over this board I would say the latter.
Posted on 9/28/20 at 2:39 pm to skrayper
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Don't think LSU has 8 guys that can cover people.
DeE bEa YoU
Posted on 9/28/20 at 2:42 pm to makersmark1
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Evidently, Pelini never watched tape of rush 3, drop 8, keep it in front of you, and rally to the football.
Washington's DC would always shut Leach's offense down then troll him after the game about how dumb it was to keep throwing with 8 guys in coverage
Posted on 9/28/20 at 2:47 pm to 5Wide
People aren’t talking about how bad LSU was on the DL and off the edge compared to their usual output.
Their edge pass rush was as bad as I can remember an LSU defense going back to the Saban era.
If you cant win the LOS you better be elite in the secondary and LSU just isn’t this year with all the attrition.
Leach will have to show his system is effective against top tier DLs because it hasn’t been historically.
Even other schools like Texas Tech and OU with huge names at QB have struggled against upper tier SEC defenses when running that system.
Not to say Leach won’t have success, I’m just saying 2020 LSU defensively is not up to their historic standards IMO.
Their edge pass rush was as bad as I can remember an LSU defense going back to the Saban era.
If you cant win the LOS you better be elite in the secondary and LSU just isn’t this year with all the attrition.
Leach will have to show his system is effective against top tier DLs because it hasn’t been historically.
Even other schools like Texas Tech and OU with huge names at QB have struggled against upper tier SEC defenses when running that system.
Not to say Leach won’t have success, I’m just saying 2020 LSU defensively is not up to their historic standards IMO.
This post was edited on 9/28/20 at 2:49 pm
Posted on 9/28/20 at 2:55 pm to tide06
quote:I thought Ali Gaye had a really good game, but across the board we're going to have to get a better push.
People aren’t talking about how bad LSU was on the DL and off the edge compared to their usual output.
Posted on 9/28/20 at 3:00 pm to tide06
Sometimes.. people really don't think things through.
Let me ask you 1 question.
You don't see the error do you? Seriously. You don't.
I'm truly interested in seeing your response.
Also with this:
Do you know how Leach addresses this and have you considered if his OL had anything to do with that?
I mean Leach has a specific design ....
Let me ask you 1 question.
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Even other schools like Texas Tech with huge names at QB have struggled against upper tier SEC defenses when running that system.
You don't see the error do you? Seriously. You don't.
I'm truly interested in seeing your response.
Also with this:
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People aren’t talking about how bad LSU was on the DL and off the edge compared to their usual output. Their edge pass rush was as bad as I can remember an LSU defense going back to the Saban era.
Do you know how Leach addresses this and have you considered if his OL had anything to do with that?
I mean Leach has a specific design ....
This post was edited on 9/28/20 at 3:03 pm
Posted on 9/28/20 at 3:25 pm to Jjdoc
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Even other schools like Texas Tech with huge names at QB have struggled against upper tier SEC defenses when running that system.
OU has top tier talent and QBs and historically hasn’t done anything against good defenses so no I don’t see your point.
Posted on 9/28/20 at 3:53 pm to That LSU Guy
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This is what's funny because now you're playing a game of "what ifs". Just enjoy your win.
No, your fellow Tiger was playing the what-ifs game. Y'all are acting like LSU is the only team that gets to improve throughout a season.
Posted on 9/28/20 at 3:58 pm to tide06
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OU
Isn't Mike Leach nor his system. Leach was at OU for one year and the results were fantastic. They went from last in the conference to first in offense. In the ONE year he was there.....1999.
So comparing OU and his one year there is seriously flawed.
When you try to say a Texas Tech team that averaged barely TOP 80 in recruiting could not win against a top SEC team who recruits above top 20... Well no FRICKING shite!
That's not the case within the SEC as a whole. Even during the low times at MSU, they have recruited at about a top 25 level.
It's not the same.
As to the part you didn't address, Leach has a 3 foot gap between each lineman. That means the pass rush takes longer and give his QB more protection. And it's a myth that the gap allows for easier pass rush.
This post was edited on 9/28/20 at 4:00 pm
Posted on 9/28/20 at 5:27 pm to Jjdoc
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OU
Isn't Mike Leach nor his system.
If you can’t agree that OU runs a derivative of the offense Leach runs there isn’t anything for us to talk about.
Is it identical? No.
Does it share the vast majority of its concepts? Absolutely.
I mean Riley learned the Air Raid from Leach when he was a grad assistant and WR coach at Tech.
Congrats on the wide splits. It’s a slight twist on the same offense and common to the air raid run by a number of other schools.
This post was edited on 9/28/20 at 5:31 pm
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