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re: Breaking News: NCAA to allow players to be paid for names, images, likeness

Posted on 10/29/19 at 4:28 pm to
Posted by civiltiger07
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 10/29/19 at 4:28 pm to
Since LSU is not in any of the ads Ed does I bet LSU doesn’t have anything to do with it.

The problem with bringing in the university is title IX.
Posted by AUNashville
New Haven
Member since Jul 2014
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Posted on 10/29/19 at 4:35 pm to
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Sorry but I’m in favor of not regulated what an individual can make, and the only requirement for that is you have to pay your taxes. Should we limit Zion Williamson’s pay because he is an athlete and only 19? What if Zion doesn’t pay his taxes?


It's a complex situation. The way I see it, for a lot of football players, it's not that they themselves earn that money. It's their image in association with the school and the NCAA. If the NCAA wants to foster an overall competitive environment "in a manner consistent with the collegiate model" then they can indeed regulate how much a player can earn. Again, this is in order to uphold the character of the competitive environment.

If a player wants to or think he/she could make more than what the NCAA may regulate it to, they could just not go to school. But the NCAA offers to opportunity for players to hone the skills and prepare themselves for a professional sports career.

Leonard Fournette would be nobody without the opportunity LSU and the NCAA gave him to play football.
Posted by AUNashville
New Haven
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Posted on 10/29/19 at 4:37 pm to
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Since LSU is not in any of the ads Ed does I bet LSU doesn’t have anything to do with it. The problem with bringing in the university is title IX.


He is a contracted employee of the university, and there could be a clause in their contracts that states any endorsements must be approved by the athletics department. Also, Raising Cane's looks to be associated with LSU in a lot of ways.
Posted by civiltiger07
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 10/29/19 at 4:39 pm to
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Leonard Fournette would be nobody without the opportunity LSU and the NCAA gave him to play football.


You serious? I hope you aren’t serious?

When is the NFL going to start regulating what players can earn in endorsement deals? The players wouldn’t be anything without the NFL.

Do the Olympics regulate what an athlete can earn?
Posted by RB10
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 10/29/19 at 4:39 pm to
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Why can’t a player making 100k hire their own financial council?


I mean 100K across all of its athletes, and it’s just an arbitrary number.

The NCAA’s primary concern, after making money, is protecting their reputation. They’re going to make sure they cover their arse when it comes to their members (the players) getting involved with tax related issues. One way they can do that is by making the schools provide the resources needed to keep the kids in line.
Posted by civiltiger07
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 10/29/19 at 4:41 pm to
Yes in terms of you can’t do an endorsement deal with Bang Bros or something similar.

Raising Canes has been associated with LSU and they haven’t been at times. The football coach at LSU has always had a deal with raising canes
Posted by RB10
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Posted on 10/29/19 at 4:44 pm to
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You serious? I hope you aren’t serious?

When is the NFL going to start regulating what players can earn in endorsement deals? The players wouldn’t be anything without the NFL.


Yes he’s serious. The NCAA isn’t setting restrictions on who can be drafted, that’s the NFL. Without college football Fournette would have either had to wait 3 years to enter the draft, go to Canada or go to the arena league.

ETA: These kids don’t have to come to college and play in the NCAA. They can go to Canada or the arena league and make money. The issue is their chances of making it to the NFL would diminish big time.

Make no mistake, this is all a money grab by the state and federal governments who feel like a fairly large chunk of potential tax revenue is currently slipping through their fingers. Just like most things the government injects themselves into, this is probably going to hell in a handbasket sooner than later.
This post was edited on 10/29/19 at 5:00 pm
Posted by AUNashville
New Haven
Member since Jul 2014
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Posted on 10/29/19 at 4:48 pm to
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You serious? I hope you aren’t serious? When is the NFL going to start regulating what players can earn in endorsement deals? The players wouldn’t be anything without the NFL. Do the Olympics regulate what an athlete can earn?


My point is, if LF didn't go to LSU or play in the NCAA, he wouldn't have received the notoriety he did. He could have elected not to play in the NCAA, but he would've been at a major disadvantage. In fact, I don't know if he would've have made it to the NFL.

As far as the NFL and other professional sports leagues go....well, their professional sports, so I don't think you can use them as comparisons. The NCAA said themselves they want to create rule[s] to allow college athletes to profit from their names, images and likenesses "in a manner consistent with the collegiate model." To me, that means not creating a system that defines it as a professional sports league.

You could say 'well, it's not going to be that because they aren't going to be paid by the schools themselves'. That's correct, but in college sports, the schools seem to have a lot of influence over how popular their image may become vs. the NFL or other leagues. The deal you get from Nike won't be much different if you play for the Seahawks or Bengals, but it would be drastically different if you played for LSU or UVA.
This post was edited on 10/29/19 at 5:00 pm
Posted by Grateful Reb
Member since Apr 2011
8070 posts
Posted on 10/29/19 at 5:13 pm to
After reading through this thread and the one on the MSB I’ll say that the sweeping assumptions being made are strange.

Why is everyone assuming it’s going to be a free for all? There will regulations put in place that strive for parity. Will the schools with the most money at their disposal prevail? Of course. But that’s already how it is right now. So why the hysteria?

Also, if the student-athletes are the ones that can now benefit off their likeness then it puts them (monetarily speaking) in a position of power, and the university stands to benefit; not the other way around. What I mean by that is, you could have some superstar (let’s say Eli Manning for instance) who has an affinity for a school (Ole Miss) and no matter what is going to go there. All of the endorsement deals are going to follow the superstar athletes regardless of where they go. If a kid is a stud and it’s clear he’s a future NFL star, where he attends is a moot point. Again, why the hysteria?

Paying players is a good thing and the people freaking out are overreacting.
Posted by Carolina_Girl
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Member since Apr 2012
23973 posts
Posted on 10/29/19 at 6:18 pm to
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Clemson will probably get hurt more than anyone in this environment as far as their current place in CFB.




If Dabo follows thru on this y'all will definitely be hurt:

quote:

“As far as paying players, professionalizing college athletics, that's where you lose me. I'll go do something else, because there's enough entitlement in this world as it is.”
Posted by TideWarrior
Asheville/Chapel Hill NC
Member since Sep 2009
11836 posts
Posted on 10/29/19 at 6:28 pm to
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The problem with bringing in the university is title IX.




It will not matter. All Title IX does is require women to have the same opportunity as men. If this all passes they will. They will have the same opportunity to earn money. The amount someone wants to pay would not follow under that law.
Posted by Gustave
Member since Nov 2015
3389 posts
Posted on 10/29/19 at 6:33 pm to
I think this is needed for college Esports . Twitch/Mixer money is a huge draw.
This post was edited on 10/29/19 at 6:34 pm
Posted by TideWarrior
Asheville/Chapel Hill NC
Member since Sep 2009
11836 posts
Posted on 10/29/19 at 6:34 pm to
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Paying players is a good thing and the people freaking out are overreacting.


Paying players would infer they are receiving income as an employee. This is unearned income even though it may be moot point for what you trying to explain. And I agree not a bad thing.
Posted by TideWarrior
Asheville/Chapel Hill NC
Member since Sep 2009
11836 posts
Posted on 10/29/19 at 6:46 pm to
This could create a huge divide in who is successful and who is not. I understand there will have to be across the board some rules pertaining to this. Not to mention all states will have to agree it to it as well.

Lets say AL, LA, TX, and SC pass laws to support, but the rest of the SEC states say no, then it will not happen because you need a unanimous vote. So many pieces have to fall in line.

1) Every state would have to adopt it
2) NCAA would have to create the rules for it
3) Every conference would have to agree to it unanimously

If this all happens the rich will get richer. It is not the Oregon's who may have Nike behind them. It is schools like in the majority of the SEC states where CFB > pro sports. When the word gets out to recruits that incoming freshman at school A are getting 20k for doing signatures at said business and again in the spring. Each year at school it increases.

Or just like with pro players or actors that get to drive a car around for free because who they are. Remember earnings for this include items like gear, cars, and whatnot.

The 5 Star who lives in a shack with his family knows top players at one school has a booster that using the players names/image to promote their real estate business and in return while in college lets them live in a new house to promote the new development. So family moves with him.

It will be coaches like Saban that know how to work in that gray area and take advantage of it. Yes there will be some shady characters resurrected they may have once been run off, or a program crosses the line to keep up, but in the end it is the elite programs that have boosters with deep pockets that will figure out how to maximize this.
Posted by Dave1999
Member since Apr 2016
289 posts
Posted on 10/29/19 at 6:52 pm to
Would not Nike and Adidas basically buy the image rights of the top prospects
and direct them to their schools ? Quite honestly I can see this leading to more
players going pro sooner. Will the average fan still feel the attachment for his team
if the players are seen as semi pros ?
Posted by TideWarrior
Asheville/Chapel Hill NC
Member since Sep 2009
11836 posts
Posted on 10/29/19 at 7:07 pm to
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Would not Nike and Adidas basically buy the image rights of the top prospects
and direct them to their schools ?


This would be one of the first things the NCAA would not allow. Not to mention this can only happen once the player signs with a school, not prior. Prior would be considered illegal recruiting.

Not to mention the colleges would not allow this to happen(vote for it) because of contracts they have with current vendors like Nike.

IIRC in the CA bill and others it would prohibit Nike and Adidas from getting involved because programs have exclusive contracts with said vendors.

Posted by FishFearMe
United States
Member since Jul 2015
7196 posts
Posted on 10/29/19 at 7:08 pm to
The unstated purpose of this is to cut the SEC's, as well as Clemson's nuts.


Michigan, USCw, Ohio State are huge beneficiaries.
Posted by Dave1999
Member since Apr 2016
289 posts
Posted on 10/29/19 at 7:23 pm to
I’m not sure that would stand up if challenged . If Nike wants to pay a high school
football player for their image for 4 years. How can the NCAA prevent this without
inviting another lawsuit ? If the NCAA thought they were going to lose the California
case then restricting who the players can go into business with will be another loss.
Posted by chillmonster
Atlanta, GA
Member since Dec 2018
5072 posts
Posted on 10/29/19 at 7:24 pm to
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And amateur sports is no longer amateur. Curious how well this will be regulated.


If it brings in $1B+ it's not amateur. Thr notion itself is absurd.
Posted by TideWarrior
Asheville/Chapel Hill NC
Member since Sep 2009
11836 posts
Posted on 10/29/19 at 8:26 pm to
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I’m not sure that would stand up if challenged . If Nike wants to pay a high school
football player for their image for 4 years. How can the NCAA prevent this without
inviting another lawsuit ? If the NCAA thought they were going to lose the California
case then restricting who the players can go into business with will be another loss.


NCAA can easily stop it under their current rules as it is a violation. Enforcing in that situation would not be hard. Has Reggie Bush got his Heisman back yet or did USC get their wins back? Just saying.

Also you seem to forget it would also make any HS player ineligible to play in HS in every state as they would no longer be an amateur in said sport.

Not to mention the model you are describing would probably break multiple federal laws including anti trust laws as your model would create monopolies for vendors. Not going to happen.
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