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Posted on 5/15/23 at 3:22 pm to Mulkey Man
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Talent isn't the problem at Alabama, it's the slip in the coaching and the bad culture which have lead to the Tide's downturn.
The problem at Alabama was the change in philosophy. In 2016 Bama went all spread, RPO bullshite. Soft football. Kirby showed you can still get in the I formation. The style Saban was comfortable with. Kirby learned everything he knows from Nick. Bama lost it's edge at the LOS by spending so much time on pass blocking. What you see in Athens is what you saw in Ttown 2008-2015.
Posted on 5/15/23 at 3:24 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Saban is really in a win-win situation. He will continue to recruit 5 star players. And they'll just end up injured. But that's ok...it'll give Bama fans excuse fodder for when they lose to UGA. They've already gotten good at that! 
Posted on 5/15/23 at 3:27 pm to TideSaint
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I'm saying that Kirby appears better at cherry picking than Nick does right now.
Based on what, exactly?
Do you want to compare rosters the past 2 seasons?
Posted on 5/15/23 at 3:30 pm to Darindawg
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Saban is really in a win-win situation. He will continue to recruit 5 star players. And they'll just end up injured.
Or end up being high draft picks like Jaylen Waddle, Patrick Surtain, Alex Leatherwood, Najee Harris, Evan Neal, Bryce Young, Will Anderson, Brian Branch the last 3 years and next year JC Latham, Dallas Turner and Kool-Aid McKinstry. But yea, sure, injured or something.
Alabama is a tick off where they used to be. That is all it takes in the SEC and nationally, especially when Georgia is completely in sync and humming. But Alabama still has NFL players all over the field and wins almost every game they play. And when they don't, it's a game that comes down to the wire and is generally in a wild environment and comes down to the very end.
This post was edited on 5/15/23 at 3:38 pm
Posted on 5/15/23 at 3:36 pm to Darindawg
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But that's ok...it'll give Bama fans excuse fodder for when they lose to UGA. They've already gotten good at that!
Wasn't UGA fans' excuse for getting stomped in the SECCG in 2021 that they weren't motivated, or Kirby used a curveball gameplan on defense, or some shite like that?
yeah, a lot better than the injury excuse. This post was edited on 5/15/23 at 3:38 pm
Posted on 5/15/23 at 3:36 pm to meansonny
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Do you want to compare rosters the past 2 seasons?
Alabama and Georgia have played twice in the past 2 seasons.
What's the head to head record in those games?
Posted on 5/15/23 at 3:39 pm to TouchdownTony
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The problem at Alabama was the change in philosophy. In 2016 Bama went all spread, RPO bullshitee. Soft football. Kirby showed you can still get in the I formation. The style Saban was comfortable with. Kirby learned everything he knows from Nick. Bama lost it's edge at the LOS by spending so much time on pass blocking. What you see in Athens is what you saw in Ttown 2008-2015.
Georgia threw the ball just as much as Alabama last season.
Posted on 5/15/23 at 3:41 pm to TideSaint
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Do you want to compare rosters the past 2 seasons?
Alabama and Georgia have played twice in the past 2 seasons.
What's the head to head record in those games?
I'm asking to compare the head to head rosters.
That's the premise behind recruiting and talent acquisition.
If you are trying to compare anything else... 2 national championships trumps it. Bama fans know that.
Posted on 5/15/23 at 3:44 pm to Funky Tide 8
I didn't hear ANY excuses coming from UGA when we lost in the SECCG. I sure didn't make any. You see, that's the difference in the fanbases. We had plenty of injuries in that game, but you didn't hear any whining or throwing that up as the reason we lost. We got beat by a better team, end of story. It's the difference in a fanbase with testicular fortitude and a fanbase with...well...something else.
Posted on 5/15/23 at 3:44 pm to madmaxvol
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2023 - UGA 2, BAMA 1 > ?
2022 - UGA 3, BAMA 2 > DNP (UGA SEC/NC)
2021 - UGA 4, BAMA 1 > UGA 24, BAMA 41 (BAMA SEC) > UGA 33, BAMA 18 (UGA NC)
2020 - UGA 1, BAMA 2 > UGA 24, BAMA 41 (BAMA SEC/NC)
2019 - UGA 2, BAMA 1 > DNP
2018 - UGA 1, BAMA 5 > UGA 28, BAMA 35 (BAMA SEC)
2017 - UGA 3, BAMA 1 > UGA 23, BAMA 26 (UGA SEC) (BAMA NC)
2016 - UGA 6, BAMA 1 > DNP (BAMA SEC)
I mean, we sure are making a lot of radical assumptions based on one win.
I understand that Alabama just had a two-loss season, but Kirby is still 1-4 overall.
For comparison purposes, Georgia had two losses in 2019 and dropped the SECCG by four touchdowns (to LSU).
Posted on 5/15/23 at 3:46 pm to meansonny
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I'm asking to compare the head to head rosters.
What metric do you want to use to compare them?
The 247 Talent Composite has these rankings:
2018: #1 OSU, #2 Bama, #3 UGA
2019: #1 Bama, #2 OSU, #3 UGA
2020: #1 UGA, #2 Bama, #3 OSU
2021: #1 Bama, #2 UGA, #3 OSU
2022: #1 Bama, #2 UGA, #3 OSU
2023: Not calculated yet
Posted on 5/15/23 at 3:46 pm to Funky Tide 8
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Wasn't UGA fans' excuse for getting stomped in the SECCG in 2021 that they weren't motivated, or Kirby used a curveball gameplan on defense, or some shite like that? yeah, a lot better than the injury excuse.
No excuses.
We worked harder and won the game that mattered.
Isn't that how it is supposed to be?
Posted on 5/15/23 at 3:46 pm to meansonny
Georgia has signed great classes, developed their kids and most importantly in terms of results communicated their strategy (on offense and defense) and taught it in a way that their kids do it in a seamless, full speed ahead way that allows them to use all of their athletic ability to make plays. Georgia's guys look completely in control of what they are doing, where to be, etc., which in turn amplifies their already very high skill and athleticism levels.
Alabama has struggled mightily in that last regard - specifically on defense and up front of offense - the last few years.
Alabama has struggled mightily in that last regard - specifically on defense and up front of offense - the last few years.
Posted on 5/15/23 at 3:47 pm to Darindawg
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I didn't hear ANY excuses coming from UGA when we lost in the SECCG. I sure didn't make any.
"I didn't, so it didn't happen."
great argument, bud.
Posted on 5/15/23 at 3:48 pm to Sl0thstronautEsq
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What metric do you want to use to compare them?
Draft picks would be an obvious one.
All conference votes.
Draft slot versus star rating.
2 deep roster vote.
3 deep roster vote.
There are plenty of options to determine whose recruiting is working best.
Posted on 5/15/23 at 3:49 pm to nicholastiger
AU cannot catch a damn break.
Posted on 5/15/23 at 3:54 pm to dstone12
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AU cannot catch a damn break
Posted on 5/15/23 at 3:55 pm to Mulkey Man
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Talent isn't the problem at Alabama, it's the slip in the coaching
Yep
Posted on 5/15/23 at 3:55 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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Georgia has signed great classes, developed their kids and most importantly in terms of results communicated their strategy (on offense and defense) and taught it in a way that their kids do it in a seamless, full speed ahead way that allows them to use all of their athletic ability to make plays. Georgia's guys look completely in control of what they are doing, where to be, etc., which in turn amplifies their already very high skill and athleticism levels.
Alabama has struggled mightily in that last regard - specifically on defense and up front of offense - the last few years.
Its been explained to me that we have cut scores like a lot of programs.
So even our lower ranked recruits are fast, etc..
But the emphasis on how the player practices is pretty much the next step. Forget 1% athlete for a moment and look for 1% practice habits.
That appears to be where a lot of the leadership and grit are coming from.
Why a lot of players don't leave despite being blocked by older players.
The derecruitment process seems easier when the players know ahead of time that they are in for struggles. But that their coaches and teammates have every incentive to encourage and push them further.
It seems to be working.
We have exits after 1 or 2 years. But those exits have never appeared to be leaders.
Our "team cancers" have worked their way back from injuries to contribute to our playoff runs (George Pickens and Jalen Carter).
It just feels different right now.
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