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re: Big 10 to pursue oklahoma and texas
Posted on 12/7/18 at 12:56 pm to Tridentds
Posted on 12/7/18 at 12:56 pm to Tridentds
Care to show me some proof of anyone meaningful saying that? OU has no policital ties to OKstate there are no bylaws for it or anything. Stop spreading misinformation you just look stupid.
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Posted on 12/7/18 at 1:05 pm to Boomer00
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Care to show me some proof of anyone meaningful saying that? OU has no policital ties to OKstate there are no bylaws for it or anything. Stop spreading misinformation you just look stupid.
If you read my post, I never said anything about laws, I said T. Boone and as long as he's alive. In truth the Governor has control because the BOR that oversees both schools reports to him.
Posted on 12/7/18 at 1:09 pm to Buckeye06
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Inside the SEC, half the conference has never made the SEC championship game right?
CCG is a new thing so schools like Kentucky and Ole Miss have been to the top before.
1800 to 1945 = 10 MNC's between just FOUR schools
(5) Alabama = 1925, 1926, 1930, 1934, and 1941
(2) Tennessee = 1938 and 1940
(2) Georgia Tech = 1917 and 1928
(1) Georgia = 1942
1946 to 1979 = 15 MNC's between SIX schools
(6) Alabama = 1961, 1964, 1965, 1973, 1978, and 1979
(3) Tennessee = 1950, 1951, and 1967
(3) Ole Miss = 1959, 1960, and 1962
(1) LSU = 1958
(1) Georgia Tech = 1952
(1) Kentucky = 1950
1946 to 1979 = 14 MNC's between SIX schools
(6) Alabama = 1992, 2009, 2011, 2012, 2015, and 2017
(3) Florida = 1996, 2006, and 2008
(2) LSU = 2002 and 2007
(1) Auburn = 2010
(1) Tennessee = 1998
(1) Georgia = 1980
Adding in the changes from realignment
(3) Texas A&M = 1919, 1927, and 1939 (in SWC)
(1) Georgia Tech = 1990 (in ACC)
(1) Arkansas = 1964 (in SWC)
There is a big difference between winning with 6 different schools than just 2. The SEC is where the B1G was back before and after WWII. You may want not to see this as a Buckeye fan but the rest of your conference mates are quite aware how they have been phased out at the expense of just 1.5 schools out of 14. That Penn State getting lowered was just the obvious play of favorites.
B12 really was #2 behind the SEC which is why the B1G and PAC used their own vanity to wreck them. Karma is paying you back now as the SEC is stronger than ever and the B12 is still alive. The ACC went from the graveyard to being more relevant than the B1G and PAC combined.
Posted on 12/7/18 at 1:13 pm to Acc fan
Consider the source. It's an OU site. If this were ever to happen, the key decisions would be made between Texas and the Big Ten (what to do about the LHN, primarily). If the Big Ten were to take Texas (and goodness knows, Texas has got the arrogance to fit in with that bunch), someone else would have to come along for the ride. OU makes the most sense, but wouldn't really fit the Big Ten profile.
Both Texas and OU would have to walk through a political mine field to do this, but I assume that they could overcome the obstacles if they were determined to do so. Namely, Texas would tell the Tech, Baylor, and TCU supporters in the legislature that A&M set the precedent, and OU would then be able to say that the Big XII won't survive without Texas, so better to have one Oklahoma school in the big leagues than none.
Frankly, I'm skeptical of the Big Ten having much appetite for expansion, given that Rutgers and Maryland haven't exactly set the world on fire, or done much to change the TV landscape. What they have done (Maryland, in particular) is set up a bridge to the ACC, and I've no doubt that if Jim Delaney could wave a magic wand, he'd take Virginia and North Carolina (his alma mater) in a heartbeat--they would help shift the Big Ten away from its dependence on the Rust Belt, while still being geographically contiguous, unlike an OU/Texas combination. But, the ACC keeps doing just enough to keep everyone on board, so this seems unlikely to occur in the next decade. Going to OU/Texas instead would seem like a bit of a panic move.
Both Texas and OU would have to walk through a political mine field to do this, but I assume that they could overcome the obstacles if they were determined to do so. Namely, Texas would tell the Tech, Baylor, and TCU supporters in the legislature that A&M set the precedent, and OU would then be able to say that the Big XII won't survive without Texas, so better to have one Oklahoma school in the big leagues than none.
Frankly, I'm skeptical of the Big Ten having much appetite for expansion, given that Rutgers and Maryland haven't exactly set the world on fire, or done much to change the TV landscape. What they have done (Maryland, in particular) is set up a bridge to the ACC, and I've no doubt that if Jim Delaney could wave a magic wand, he'd take Virginia and North Carolina (his alma mater) in a heartbeat--they would help shift the Big Ten away from its dependence on the Rust Belt, while still being geographically contiguous, unlike an OU/Texas combination. But, the ACC keeps doing just enough to keep everyone on board, so this seems unlikely to occur in the next decade. Going to OU/Texas instead would seem like a bit of a panic move.
Posted on 12/7/18 at 1:14 pm to Cheese Grits
Big Ten was rated second in conference strength the last two years by many football pundits. The Big 12 is still alive but barely hanging on. If SEC fans really cared about the Big 12 then why did they take Missouri and A&M? The majority of your fan base in the SEC wouldn’t mind seeing the Big 12 dissolve and you know it
This post was edited on 12/7/18 at 1:15 pm
Posted on 12/7/18 at 1:15 pm to Buckeye06
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I mean the same can be said for most of the conferences in the country.
SEC has always spread the pie among more than just 1 or 2
(the concept of "The Six" goes all the way back to the 1920's)
ACC has added enough that they are 2 + 2 conference
B12 was 3 + 1 but may be a 2 + 1 with fewer members
B1G was 2 + 2 when I was young but now is 1 + 1/2
PAC was always a 1 + 1 but back then they were just 8, not 12
Posted on 12/7/18 at 1:22 pm to Agforlife
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If you read my post, I never said anything about laws, I said T. Boone and as long as he's alive. In truth the Governor has control because the BOR that oversees both schools reports to him.
What makes you think T Boone Pickens has anything to do with OU football? He has no pull there when it comes to OU I can promise you that. His buddy Boren is no longer OUs president and OU will do what it wants.
Posted on 12/7/18 at 1:25 pm to Boomer00
B12 is living on borrowed time. Eventually OU is going to grow a pair, and look for other opportunities. Texas could care less, as long as they are in charge
Posted on 12/7/18 at 1:33 pm to Taurus 357
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Big Ten was rated second in conference strength the last two years by many football pundits.
Because they still sell ads and have some of the biggest stadiums and lots of sports writers reside on the coasts and in the midwest. Don't play FCS but don't play the top and it makes the end of the year records look better than they are. B1G is mired in the middle to keep their fans happy and bitch about the ACC and SEC playing 8 and FCS to shift from the real issues.
B1G west is a joke and the schools in the east look more and more like those old FSU teams. You can bitch about the bottom but if you don't play the top you need to take a seat. When a 2 loss Georgia is higher than a 1 loss Ohio State and several pro B1G folks are on the CFP committee it should tell you something. The days of Michigan sitting at home padding the resume is not a secret anymore.
The B1G has ruined Penn State and will do the same to Nebraska before it is all said and done because they are too busy trying to make Ann Arbor "Fetch". It is not going to happen because the slight of hand from the pre WWII days is easier to see in the modern world. In time Notre Dame will go all in for the ACC and then the ACC will be the clear #2 behind the SEC and all those old B1G fans will have retired to south Florida, effectively killing off the fans they used to have.
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If SEC fans really cared about the Big 12 then why did they take Missouri and A&M?
They cared enough not to be the cause of the B12 demise, that was all on the B1G (taking Nebraska) and the PAC trying to take 6. TAMU went to the SEC because they were in the old SIAA a century before and they knew it was safe. If Gee had his was Mizzou and Kansas would be in the B1G now but the home office in Illinois said they wanted Maryland and Rutgers instead. Further proof they were really about the Irish the whole time.
If the B1G did not raid the B12 first
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If the PAC did not raid the B12 second
SEC would have not bothered as they are white knights, not corporate raiders
Posted on 12/7/18 at 1:41 pm to Taurus 357
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The majority of your fan base in the SEC wouldn’t mind seeing the Big 12 dissolve and you know it
Maybe the kids under 30 but for my age group we were quite happy with the B12 before it got wrecked and would always prefer a stronger B12 because of the history between member schools of both.
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The Big 12 is still alive but barely hanging on.
Not sure if I really believe this. I would rank them this way right now
#1 SEC
#2 ACC
#3 B12
#4 B1G
#5 PAC
Look, I know you do not want to look at your own mess but if you had stayed at 10 instead of trying to grab Notre Dame twice we do not have the mess we do now. SEC had no desire to expand in the 90's and only reacted when provoked. Same in the 2010's (especially as the Balir Report was public in what 2009 and there had been rumblings in B1G ranks since 2006).
Posted on 12/7/18 at 2:50 pm to Cheese Grits
35 percent of people from the north who move to Florida move back north within 5 years. LINK
I don’t care if you don’t believe this or not, but what we geographically call southern Florida (Miami, Ft. Lauderdale, key West, Palm beach) will cease to exist within 50 years. That might seem like a long time, but people don’t like to make uncomfortable change. Florida has gained population for so long that there is only one place to go. It will start to decline. Texas is already oversaturating its resources and due to unprecedented net migration, the state is strongly considering a sales tax. This would be a first, but possibly a necessary component to offset major infrastructure projects which will last for the next 20 to 25 years. More taxes, more complaints. More complaints, more negative impact on new migrants. Hence emigration begins.
I don’t care if you don’t believe this or not, but what we geographically call southern Florida (Miami, Ft. Lauderdale, key West, Palm beach) will cease to exist within 50 years. That might seem like a long time, but people don’t like to make uncomfortable change. Florida has gained population for so long that there is only one place to go. It will start to decline. Texas is already oversaturating its resources and due to unprecedented net migration, the state is strongly considering a sales tax. This would be a first, but possibly a necessary component to offset major infrastructure projects which will last for the next 20 to 25 years. More taxes, more complaints. More complaints, more negative impact on new migrants. Hence emigration begins.
Posted on 12/7/18 at 2:53 pm to Cheese Grits
Here is an article from ESPN with the sequential rankings of each conference this year LINK
Posted on 12/7/18 at 3:18 pm to Agforlife
Lays out Agforlife's point...and oh yeah, hell just froze over.
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And as someone from Oklahoma and still an OU fan, I hate OU to B1g. It doesn't culturally fit, but I am from Little Dixie (SE OK).
This move would help out B1G by increasing their chances to make the playoffs and get that money. If I was SEC or B1G I would call the other conference, choose their teams and make the offers now. OU set grounds for legally getting out of B12 GoR last year with expansion talk. Just have to show league's has caused financial damage by not expanding.
LINK
And as someone from Oklahoma and still an OU fan, I hate OU to B1g. It doesn't culturally fit, but I am from Little Dixie (SE OK).
This move would help out B1G by increasing their chances to make the playoffs and get that money. If I was SEC or B1G I would call the other conference, choose their teams and make the offers now. OU set grounds for legally getting out of B12 GoR last year with expansion talk. Just have to show league's has caused financial damage by not expanding.
This post was edited on 12/7/18 at 3:23 pm
Posted on 12/7/18 at 3:59 pm to EKG
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What a complete disaster that greedy enterprise (LHN) ended up being for UTex
That lil $10m a year profit center that falls under the same tier 3 revenue that yall voted for in the B12? Aggy was just as "greedy" not nearly as smart nor equitable.
Posted on 12/7/18 at 4:31 pm to ColoradoAg
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Texas will never join the SEC because too many schools would be outright against it
Do you ever shut up?
Posted on 12/7/18 at 4:45 pm to Taurus 357
quote:That's just one writer's opinion.
Here is an article from ESPN with the sequential rankings of each conference this year LINK
Posted on 12/7/18 at 4:48 pm to Acc fan
Texas is conference poison.
Posted on 12/7/18 at 5:03 pm to MrMojoRisin
I don't know about "conference poison" but the old Southwest Conference was never going to survive the age of television having all of it's teams (sans Arkansas) located in the same state.
Texas being the one to finally rip the band-aid off and cope with reality is hardly what I'd call subversive self-interest. That conference was dead because of it's structure no matter what.
Texas being the one to finally rip the band-aid off and cope with reality is hardly what I'd call subversive self-interest. That conference was dead because of it's structure no matter what.
Posted on 12/7/18 at 5:17 pm to Boomer00
quote:State supported universities. The Oklahoma legislature can force them to stay in the same conference. I recall a few years back when the "OU & Texas to the PAC-12" rumors were rampart. An Oklahoma state representative was quoted as saying he'd do what he could to prevent it.
Care to show me some proof of anyone meaningful saying that? OU has no policital ties to OKstate there are no bylaws for it or anything. Stop spreading misinformation you just look stupid.
Posted on 12/7/18 at 5:23 pm to CharlotteSooner
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Texas being the one to finally rip the band-aid off and cope with reality is hardly what I'd call subversive self-interest.
You guys are in the CFP again. Not sure why the insistence to continiue deep throating Texass. TV was only a part of it. Texass pushed Arkansas and they said "enough". Leaving it a 1 state conference. Then you had serious attendance issues at TCU, SMU, UH, Rice as well as a lack of competition with everyone but UH under Yeoman. SMU had the death penalty further hurting the conference. The SWC deteriorated into a small time conference with only 2-3 teams with more than regional interest.
The decline of the SWC started with Arkansas leaving.
The decline of the B12 started with Nebraska leaving.
The decline of the B12 picked up even more steam when A&M & Missouri left.
The B12 is now left with about 7 schools that have local interest only... very little regional and zzzzzzero national interest.
Texas ripped the bandaid off nothing. They simply dealt with the problems that they themselves created. They set the house on fire and cocksuckers like you praise them for putting out a house fire.
Sorry to interrupt your sucking.
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