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re: Bama has 1 NC in the AP/Coaches Polls era since 1936 without Bear Bryant or Nick Saban
Posted on 1/13/24 at 6:53 pm to GoGators1995
Posted on 1/13/24 at 6:53 pm to GoGators1995
quote:So clever and original.
Holy shite you're melting all over the place.
If you want to include all NCs pre-1936 Princeton is #1 with 28 and Yale is #2 with 27.
Do you think Princeton and Yale are the two best CFB programs of all-time?
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Posted on 1/13/24 at 7:12 pm to GoGators1995
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You know you are getting desperate when you start using arbitrary time frames."
I know right!! Using poll era reeks of desperation.
Posted on 1/13/24 at 7:35 pm to BlackCloud
It has taken six pages, but I now understand your argument. I had to to back to the first page and read back through.
So, based on your post we are talking about the last 87 years.
In summary, your argument is that if you exclude all of Bear Bryant’s and Nick Saban’s national titles; or roughly half this time frame; and you exclude Alabama national titles during the poll era because they were voted on; another 1/4 of this time frame; then LSU has three more national titles than Alabama. So, we are comparing all 87 LSU seasons versus the worst 23 Alabama seasons. If we do this, using this logic, LSU has three more national titles and thus is a better football program than Alabama.
That is very creative. I will give you that.
What if we exclude LSU’s two best coaches’ results and compare that to all of Alabama’s seasons? I wonder how that will look. Spoiler alert, very bad. So bad it will embarrass you worse than this thread already has.
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People automatically assume bama just rolls (pardon the pun) out coaches and wins NCs. Bear and Nick won 12 NCs in 42 years combined and 8 other coaches won 1 NC in 45 yers combined.
So, based on your post we are talking about the last 87 years.
In summary, your argument is that if you exclude all of Bear Bryant’s and Nick Saban’s national titles; or roughly half this time frame; and you exclude Alabama national titles during the poll era because they were voted on; another 1/4 of this time frame; then LSU has three more national titles than Alabama. So, we are comparing all 87 LSU seasons versus the worst 23 Alabama seasons. If we do this, using this logic, LSU has three more national titles and thus is a better football program than Alabama.
That is very creative. I will give you that.
What if we exclude LSU’s two best coaches’ results and compare that to all of Alabama’s seasons? I wonder how that will look. Spoiler alert, very bad. So bad it will embarrass you worse than this thread already has.
Posted on 1/13/24 at 7:48 pm to captdalton
Here is one for him, LSU has never had a football Coach to win multiple titles in ANY time period. 
Posted on 1/13/24 at 7:50 pm to captdalton
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So, based on your post we are talking about the last 87 years.
Yeah, you know when the AP era started in 1936. It's kinda a big deal to those who follow CFB.
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What if we exclude LSU’s two best coaches’
This is where so many in this thread missed the obvious.
I'm just saying simply that bama has piled up a frick ton of NCs with inarguably the two best coaches in CFB history over a 42 year period. EXTREMELY IMPRESSIVE.
BUT (BIG BUT), bama has not proven that it can win multiple NCs since 1936 with 8 other coaches in the other 45 years. LSU has.
LSU has won 3 NCs over the same time period even if you exclude the 2003 NC with Nick.
These are just cold, hard, facts.
Cold hard facts are usually the hardest to deal with around here!
This post was edited on 1/13/24 at 8:35 pm
Posted on 1/13/24 at 7:57 pm to BlackCloud
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Can you provide me a link of any of these fans (hell any fans) bragging about NCs won pre-1936.
I'll wait-it's cold outside, the fireplace is roaring, the adult beverages are flowing and I'm having fun.
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Notre Dame has been treated to more consensus national championships (11) than any other school, spanning three Knute Rockne squads (1924, ’29, ’30), Frank Leahy’s dynasty (’43, ’46, ’47, ’49), Ara Parseghian’s ’66 and ’73 teams, the Dan Devine-led ’77 squad and Lou Holtz’s ’88 unit.
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The “Thundering Herd,” under Hall of Fame coach Howard Jones, galloped to the Trojans’ first national championship in 1928. A swarming defense, led by tackle Jesse Hibbs and end Garrett Arbelbide, gave up only 59 points all season, while an offensive backfield of Harry Edelson, Russ Saunders, Don Williams and Marshall Duffield rolled over, under, and through their opponents.
USC finished the season with nine wins and no losses, with the only blemish being a 0-0 tie with Cal as the Golden Bears continued to be a nemesis for Troy in the 1920s.
The Trojans beat Glenn “Pop” Warner’s Stanford Indians, 10-0, forcing five fumbles in the process. Warner had never lost to Jones and he considered his 1928 team to be his best. But USC used a special strategy called the “quick mix” to disrupt Stanford’s offense and help offset the Indians’ 10-pound-per-man weight advantage. The strategy worked in what was a landmark game for the Trojans, who established themselves as the preeminent football power on the West Coast. Warner never beat Jones again.
The 1928 season also saw USC beat Notre Dame and Knute Rockne for the first time, 27-14. Williams passed for 111 yards and two touchdowns and rushed for 93 more as the Trojans clinched the national title.
For example^^^^^
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You are intertextually soft in the head, as well as lazy in life, AKA The typical LSU fan..
Posted on 1/13/24 at 8:12 pm to bstew3006
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So, like the OP and I stated, Alabama only has 1 NC since 1936 when removing the 2 greatest coaches in CFB history.
Congrats, you’re an idiot
You do know that the AP was not the standard before WWII
The polls became standardized after WWII
But to know this you would have to be able to research, and you have proven you are incapable of doing that,
So starting at 1946,
ALabama has won 16% of the titles
of that time the two GOATs were coaching 63% of the years
(add in Stalling's 7 years for 10% of the time)
Alabama was on probation 10 of those years, or 12.9% of the rest
Not much time (14%) for others to win national titles
Posted on 1/13/24 at 8:26 pm to TideFaninFl
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You are intertextually soft in the head, as well as lazy in life, AKA The typical LSU fan..
And all this time I thought it was intertextuality.
Obviously, you are a typical bama fan.
Thanks for the links. I just want to make sure you want me to include the pre-1936 era
before I inform you that in that case Princeton and Yale are the two best CFB programs of all-time.
You ok with that, Bubba?
Posted on 1/13/24 at 8:42 pm to BlackCloud
Oh, got it. Let’s exclude Nick Saban’s five seasons at LSU. Look how many more titles LSU won in 82 seasons versus 23 Alabama seasons.
Like I said, you refuse to go down.
You keep making apples to oranges comparisons. I notice you didn’t comment on LSU’s worst years versus Alabama’s worst years. That would be inconvenient for your argument.
Like I said, you refuse to go down.
You keep making apples to oranges comparisons. I notice you didn’t comment on LSU’s worst years versus Alabama’s worst years. That would be inconvenient for your argument.
Posted on 1/13/24 at 8:43 pm to BlackCloud
How many humans would survive without oxygen?
What if Mars attacks?
What if Brian Kelly didn’t twerk on teenagers?
What if Mars attacks?
What if Brian Kelly didn’t twerk on teenagers?
This post was edited on 1/13/24 at 8:46 pm
Posted on 1/13/24 at 8:53 pm to captdalton
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Oh, got it.
quote:I have already thrown out his years at LSU multiple times to prove my point.
Let’s exclude Nick Saban’s five seasons at LSU.
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Like I said, you refuse to go down.
Because it's too easy, I'm having a blast, and I know bama fans hate what I am saying.
Posted on 1/14/24 at 2:48 am to RollTide71
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HOPING
I’m praying
Posted on 1/14/24 at 3:35 am to BlackCloud
Most teams require good coaches to win.
Posted on 1/14/24 at 6:24 am to BlackCloud
This is pretty dumb. Every single school would trade positions with them.
2 coaches and 12 titles
all other coaches and 1 title
Sign me up.
2 coaches and 12 titles
all other coaches and 1 title
Sign me up.
Posted on 1/14/24 at 6:29 am to TigerphanTigerman
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LSU has proven to be able to win titles with just any coach, while Bama has relied on all time greats
You are essentially bragging that our best coaches weren’t as good as their best coaches.
Posted on 1/14/24 at 8:00 am to Prof
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Most teams require good coaches to win.
Oh I agree....but how many teams do you think could win a NC with these two..........
Posted on 1/14/24 at 8:02 am to BlackCloud
Sad commentary on Bama football. One trick ponies.
Posted on 1/14/24 at 8:38 am to BlackCloud
Trying to put a negative spin on Alabama having the two greatest coaches in cfb history, I see what you did.
Posted on 1/14/24 at 6:04 pm to BlackCloud
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So clever and original.
Remember, you're the one who said selecting timeframes and ignoring everything is a sign of anger and desperation.
Posted on 1/14/24 at 7:13 pm to BlackCloud
WW2 Prevented Thomas from winning an AP Championship in 45
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