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Posted on 7/13/18 at 9:54 am to mls4bama
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Posted on 7/13/18 at 9:57 am to aufbfan
It's pretty difficult to compare the two. The 1992 defense didn't play offenses in the same realm as the 2016 team did. If the 2016 defense played the offenses the 1992 team did we might have shut out 2/3 of the schedule.
The 2016 team was without a doubt more talented
2016
DE - Jonathan Allen (1st round)
NT - Da'Ron Payne (1st round)
DE - Dalvin Tomlinson (2nd round)
OLB - Tim Williams (3rd round)
OLB - Ryan Anderson (2nd round)
MLB - Reuben Foster (1st round)
MLB - Shaun Dion Hamilton/Rashaan Evans (6th round/1st round) (SDH higher if not for injury)
Star - Minkah Fitzpatrick (1st round)
CB - Marlon Humphrey (1st round)
CB - Anthony Averett (4th round)
SS - Eddie Jackson (4th round) (higher if not for injury)
FS - Ronnie Harrison (3rd round)
- 6 1st round picks
- 10 guys drafted in the 1-3rd rounds
- All starters drafted (all but 1 in the first 4 rounds)
1992
DE - John Copeland (1st round)
NT - Everett Brown (undrafted)
DE - Eric Curry (1st round)
LB - Lemanski Hall (7th round)
LB - Derrick Oden (6th round)
LB - Antonio London (3rd round)
CB - George Teague (1st round)
CB - Antonio Langham (1st round)
SS - Sam Shade (4th round)
FS - Chris Donnelly (undrafted)
- 4 1st round picks
- 5 guys drafted in the 1-3rd rounds
- 9 starters drafted (6 of 11 drafted in the 1st-4th rounds)
I also don't blame 2016 for the Clemson game at all. They played fantastic until they just collapsed at the end due to playing 100 plays.
Halftime Clemson Offense
- 7 pts
- 218 yards on 45 plays (4.84 YPP)
End of 3 Qtrs (plus 1 min 4th) Clemson Offense
- 21 pts
- 404 yards on 74 plays (5.46 YPP)
Hell, for the entire game we only gave up 5.16 YPP. That's the least Clemson had all year outside of the 1st game at Auburn.
Even the crazy Ole Miss game, they had 23 offensive points with 3 minutes left in the game. They had 367 yards on 63 plays (5.83 YPP) before we went up 18 pts and they had the wild last 2 minutes.
The 2016 team was without a doubt more talented
2016
DE - Jonathan Allen (1st round)
NT - Da'Ron Payne (1st round)
DE - Dalvin Tomlinson (2nd round)
OLB - Tim Williams (3rd round)
OLB - Ryan Anderson (2nd round)
MLB - Reuben Foster (1st round)
MLB - Shaun Dion Hamilton/Rashaan Evans (6th round/1st round) (SDH higher if not for injury)
Star - Minkah Fitzpatrick (1st round)
CB - Marlon Humphrey (1st round)
CB - Anthony Averett (4th round)
SS - Eddie Jackson (4th round) (higher if not for injury)
FS - Ronnie Harrison (3rd round)
- 6 1st round picks
- 10 guys drafted in the 1-3rd rounds
- All starters drafted (all but 1 in the first 4 rounds)
1992
DE - John Copeland (1st round)
NT - Everett Brown (undrafted)
DE - Eric Curry (1st round)
LB - Lemanski Hall (7th round)
LB - Derrick Oden (6th round)
LB - Antonio London (3rd round)
CB - George Teague (1st round)
CB - Antonio Langham (1st round)
SS - Sam Shade (4th round)
FS - Chris Donnelly (undrafted)
- 4 1st round picks
- 5 guys drafted in the 1-3rd rounds
- 9 starters drafted (6 of 11 drafted in the 1st-4th rounds)
I also don't blame 2016 for the Clemson game at all. They played fantastic until they just collapsed at the end due to playing 100 plays.
Halftime Clemson Offense
- 7 pts
- 218 yards on 45 plays (4.84 YPP)
End of 3 Qtrs (plus 1 min 4th) Clemson Offense
- 21 pts
- 404 yards on 74 plays (5.46 YPP)
Hell, for the entire game we only gave up 5.16 YPP. That's the least Clemson had all year outside of the 1st game at Auburn.
Even the crazy Ole Miss game, they had 23 offensive points with 3 minutes left in the game. They had 367 yards on 63 plays (5.83 YPP) before we went up 18 pts and they had the wild last 2 minutes.
This post was edited on 7/13/18 at 10:33 am
Posted on 7/13/18 at 10:00 am to SummerOfGeorge
It’s functional outcome vs talent.
Talent wise the U and our 2016 are the best ever, but statistically and from a performance standpoint they are lacking compared to other all-time level defenses.
Talent wise the U and our 2016 are the best ever, but statistically and from a performance standpoint they are lacking compared to other all-time level defenses.
Posted on 7/13/18 at 10:06 am to aufbfan
Check out these stats. Particularly interceptions:
1992
Interceptions
Langham- 6
Teague- 6
Donnelly- 3
Johnson- 2
Rogers- 2
Shade- 2
Gaston- 1
You get 10 in a season and it was a dominant defense.
They had 22 picks, IN ONE SEASON.
1992
Interceptions
Langham- 6
Teague- 6
Donnelly- 3
Johnson- 2
Rogers- 2
Shade- 2
Gaston- 1
You get 10 in a season and it was a dominant defense.
They had 22 picks, IN ONE SEASON.
Posted on 7/13/18 at 10:11 am to aufbfan
1992 defensive starting lineup:
DEFENSE
DE: #94 John Copeland - 1st rd pick, All-American
NT: #76 Everett Brown
DE: #80 Eric Curry - 1st rd pick, All-American
LB: #11 Lemanski Hall - 2x All-SEC, 7th rd pick
LB: #52 Michael Rogers (injured, Mario Morris played in SB)
LB: #56 Derrick Oden - All-SEC, 6th rd pick
LB: #55 Antonio London - ALL-SEC, 3rd rd pick
CB: #13 George Teague - All-American, 1st rd pick
CB: #43 Antonio Langham - All-American, 1st rd pick
SS: #31 Sam Shade - All-SEC, 4th rd pick
FS: #21 Chris Donnelly
Jeremy Nunley, a backup DE, was All-SEC and a 2nd rd pick
Willie Gaston, backup Safety, was All-SEC
Tommy Johnson, backup DB, was All-SEC
Damien Jefferies, backup DE, was 2nd team ALL-SEC and 4th rd pick
8 starters were drafted. 8 starters were All-SEC, 4 were All-American. 4 backups ended up All-SEC as well.
DEFENSE
DE: #94 John Copeland - 1st rd pick, All-American
NT: #76 Everett Brown
DE: #80 Eric Curry - 1st rd pick, All-American
LB: #11 Lemanski Hall - 2x All-SEC, 7th rd pick
LB: #52 Michael Rogers (injured, Mario Morris played in SB)
LB: #56 Derrick Oden - All-SEC, 6th rd pick
LB: #55 Antonio London - ALL-SEC, 3rd rd pick
CB: #13 George Teague - All-American, 1st rd pick
CB: #43 Antonio Langham - All-American, 1st rd pick
SS: #31 Sam Shade - All-SEC, 4th rd pick
FS: #21 Chris Donnelly
Jeremy Nunley, a backup DE, was All-SEC and a 2nd rd pick
Willie Gaston, backup Safety, was All-SEC
Tommy Johnson, backup DB, was All-SEC
Damien Jefferies, backup DE, was 2nd team ALL-SEC and 4th rd pick
8 starters were drafted. 8 starters were All-SEC, 4 were All-American. 4 backups ended up All-SEC as well.
Posted on 7/13/18 at 10:12 am to TouchdownTony
What is this witchcraft you speak? I’m skeptical of a nontroll thread from aufbfan.
This post was edited on 7/13/18 at 10:13 am
Posted on 7/13/18 at 10:25 am to tide06
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Talent wise the U and our 2016 are the best ever, but statistically and from a performance standpoint they are lacking compared to other all-time level defenses.
The 1992 defense played 3 Top 50 offenses (#12 Miami, #34 Florida, #37 Tennessee).
The 2016 defense played 11 Top 50 offenses by YPP (#1 WKU, #10 Washington, #13 LSU, #24 Tennessee, #28 USC, #30 Texas A&M, #34 Clemson, #35 Ole Miss, #37 Auburn, #43 Mississippi St, #46 Arkansas)
So, it's not really a totally fair comparison to just look at straight numbers. Not to mention average yardage and pts numbers across CFB are much higher in 2016 than 1992, so you'd have to account for "inflation" so to speak.
This post was edited on 7/13/18 at 10:26 am
Posted on 7/13/18 at 10:42 am to bamafan1001
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Posted on 7/13/18 at 10:59 am to aufbfan
from the outside I'd like to say hi to the Alabama 1979 defense. Oh,my goodness. 
Posted on 7/13/18 at 11:18 am to SummerOfGeorge
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It's pretty difficult to compare the two.
I agree as it's difficult to compare teams of different eras...the '16 D may have had more individual talent but I think the '92 D worked better as a unit. If the '92 players had grown up and played during modern times, with state of the art facilities, weight rooms, and nutritionists, not to speak of playing under Saban's system, I think they'd have fared just as well, if not better...they were very athletic for that time. Before the '93 Sugar Bowl, the pundits said that Miami's speed would dominate Bama...after the game, the Miami coach (Dennis Erickson) said that Bama had as much, or more, speed on the field than Miami...
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The 1992 defense didn't play offenses in the same realm as the 2016 team did.
Maybe not from top to bottom...but they did play against two of the top 10 passing offenses in the nation (#3 Miami and #9 Florida), to include a Heisman Trophy winning QB and a back-to-back SEC Player of the Year...the '16 team faced one of the top 10 passing offenses (#10 Ole Miss)...
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If the 2016 defense played the offenses the 1992 team did we might have shut out 2/3 of the schedule.
If you sent them back in time as they were in 2016, yes...but if they had grown up and developed during the 80's and 90's perhaps not. That's why it's so difficult to compare teams of different eras...
This post was edited on 7/13/18 at 11:22 am
Posted on 7/13/18 at 11:31 am to OldPete
The 1992 defense was one of the best ever. However, the 2016 defense was even better. They were more talented (tough to say for any defense ever regrading the 92 D) and turned the ball over and put points on the board.
The offenses the 92 D played against were nowhere near the level of the offenses the 2016 played against, even with Florida and Miami on the schedule. The game was much different back then. It's hard to believe that 92 season was 26 years ago because I remember it like yesterday.
None of this is to knock the 1992 defense at all. Even as I write this message I am having doubts, but if I have to choose I am choosing the 2016 defense.
The offenses the 92 D played against were nowhere near the level of the offenses the 2016 played against, even with Florida and Miami on the schedule. The game was much different back then. It's hard to believe that 92 season was 26 years ago because I remember it like yesterday.
None of this is to knock the 1992 defense at all. Even as I write this message I am having doubts, but if I have to choose I am choosing the 2016 defense.
Posted on 7/13/18 at 11:37 am to OldPete
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If you sent them back in time as they were in 2016, yes...but if they had grown up and developed during the 80's and 90's perhaps not. That's why it's so difficult to compare teams of different eras...
Agree
Posted on 7/13/18 at 11:55 am to OldPete
quote:
If you sent them back in time as they were in 2016, yes...but if they had grown up and developed during the 80's and 90's perhaps not. That's why it's so difficult to compare teams of different eras...
Good point.
Posted on 7/13/18 at 1:13 pm to aufbfan
I want to give the nod to the 1992 defense but it’s possible I’m remembering them as greater than they were as we all tend to do when reminiscing. They were virtually impossible to move the ball on.
Posted on 7/13/18 at 1:14 pm to Nitro Express
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However, the 2016 defense was even better.
We'll have to agree to disagree. The 2016 defense was extremely talented, no doubt...but they gave up over 500 yards total offense twice, 400+ yards passing three times, and allowed 30+ points three times. All defenses can have an off game, but allowing multiple games like that, whether you win 'em or not, is a red flag to an oldtimer like me. And you mentioned how the '16 team got turnovers...if you count the bowl game, the '92 team had 12 more turnovers (41) in two less games than the '16 team (29)...
The 1992 defense allowed an average of 194 yards a game...the next best defense in the nation allowed almost 60 more yards a game. There was no doubt who had the #1 defense that year.
Again, it's hard to compare as it was two different eras, but here's how the two defenses ranked nationally in their respective seasons:
1992 Bama Defense
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#1 Total Defense (194.2 ypg, 3.2 ypp)
#1 Rushing Defense (55 ypg, 1.7 ypc)
#2 Passing Defense (139 ypg, 5.06 ypa)
#2 Passing Efficiency Defense (84.87)
#2 Scoring Defense (9.1 points/game)
#1 Turnovers Gained (37; 22 INTs, 15 FR)
2016 Bama Defense
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#2 Total Defense (261.8 ypg, 3.99 ypp)
#1 Rushing Defense (63.9 ypg, 2.01 ypc)
#24 Passing Defense (197.9 ypg, 5.85 ypa)
#9 Passing Efficiency Defense (106.47)
#1 Scoring Defense (13 points/game)
#5 (tied) Turnovers Gained (29; 16 INTs, 13 FR)
This post was edited on 7/13/18 at 1:34 pm
Posted on 7/13/18 at 1:47 pm to aufbfan
quote:... Bama alter. Take this bullshite to the Bama board.
aufbfan
Posted on 7/13/18 at 1:53 pm to aufbfan
As an unbiased observer it was fun as hell watching Bama smack Gino Toretta’s overrated arse around.
Posted on 7/13/18 at 3:01 pm to AlbertMeansWell
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Our 2011 defense puts the others to shame
Statistically, they've been the best...but Georgia Southern and Nick Saban might disagree:
Y'all don't remember the Georgia Southern game do you...they ran through our arse like sh*t through a tin horn, man, and we could not stop them...
Posted on 7/13/18 at 7:07 pm to TouchdownTony
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It was the second time all season the Tide had allowed more than 20 points (Miss. State also got 21)
2004 Auburn’s defense allowed >20 points once all season.
But they also had 3 1st round draft picks in their offensive backfield.
Let that sink in...
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