re: Auburn, I get it

Against SEC BIG SIX on the road:

1-15

Hope this helps

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UGA has always, historically, been in the series lead

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LSU has been more relevant than Auburn has the last 20 years

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How da fuq do you measure that?

Going back to the year 2000 (20 years since 2021 isn't done).

SEC Championship appearances LSU 6 (5 wins); AU 5 (3 wins)
BCS Championship appearances LSU 3 (2 wins); AU 2 (1 win)
CFP LSU 1 (1 win); AU 0

Record against Alabama LSU 10-11 regular season 10-12 overall; Auburn 11-10

So yes, a bit more hardware, but not enough to say LSU has been more relevant over that time span.

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I have no qualm saying LSU has been more relevant over that time span.

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For sure they are, but thats not to say Auburn has been irrelevant. By the same standards LSU is irrelevant in comparison to Bama

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We are never going to out-recruit Bama, UGA, LSU. We have to have the right mix of hard asses and guys that take well to being coached up.

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I agree with this. The best way for Auburn to win, is continue to try and recruit in the 10-15 range and stay in the blue-chip ratio so you are at least in the conversation talent wise. The talent level alone won't be enough, but being able to actual coach and develop that talent, find some 3 star diamonds, and have guys prepared on game day, we should be able to hang around in most games. Then I think it becomes a situation where you just need a few pieces to fall in place. A veteran team/QB, a Heisman caliber RB, catch Alabama at home or on a down year, and you can find yourself playing for SEC championships every few years.

I thought Gus was capable of that, but it became clear the past few years that he wasn't developing enough of the talent he was bringing in and his offense wasn't helping QB's, WR's, or offensive lineman grow. If you look at it simplistically, Alabama gets the best talent in the country and gets the most out of them. UGA is right there with them talent wise, but something is missing from a coaching/offensive standpoint. Other teams like Kentucky, seems to being getting the most of their talent, but recruiting in the 20's isn't going to get it done in the SEC. Gus was getting good talent, but wasn't developing them and his offense/gameplan wasn't putting the team in the best position to win on Saturday, which was leaving us in 7-5/8-4 territory.

I think Harsin can eventually reach Gus recruiting rankings, with better roster management, and also get the most out of his teams, leading to more 9-3 and 10-2 type seasons. String a few of those together and get to a playoff and I will be happy. The magic of Gus from his earlier years was clearly fading, and it was obvious he wasn't willing to adapt to keep his offense/team relevant. I'm glad we made the change when we did, and I'm excited that we went outside the box and found somebody with Harsin's work ethic to lead Auburn.

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He needs to get to Atl and win, that will in turn get us in the playoffs to compete for a NC. if there is no sustainability of that, he will not remain

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Bro... get real.
If he can make the playoffs once every 5-10 years, that would be one hell of a coach for Auburn.

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Maybe 10?

lol. I mean sure, if we are a child and don't know much.

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So 57, 71, 83, 88, 93, 94, 04, 10, 13 and 17. Two loss 97 Auburn gping into the SEC Championship Game doesn't make the cut.

Like I said, about 10 times.

We need to compete more consistently.

The competition is good, but we overpaid Gus for the high number of blowout losses to Georgia, Alabama, and LSU.

I think we need to compete enough to have the football in the fourth quarter with a chance to win.
Then win our share.

Gus was not able to do that consistently.

We will see if Harsin can.

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I thought Gus was capable of that, but it became clear the past few years that he wasn't developing enough of the talent he was bringing in and his offense wasn't helping QB's, WR's, or offensive lineman grow. If you look at it simplistically, Alabama gets the best talent in the country and gets the most out of them. UGA is right there with them talent wise, but something is missing from a coaching/offensive standpoint. Other teams like Kentucky, seems to being getting the most of their talent, but recruiting in the 20's isn't going to get it done in the SEC. Gus was getting good talent, but wasn't developing them and his offense/gameplan wasn't putting the team in the best position to win on Saturday, which was leaving us in 7-5/8-4 territory.

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I think this is a big piece of it all. At first Gus was not only pulling in great classes, but they were balanced. As time went on and guys started realizing our players weren't being well prepared for the next level(or even the current level), even though we put a fair amount of players in the NFL, the classes started becoming less balanced. I think the OL situation we're in now is a perfect example of that. We relied heavily on juco guys for the last 2-3 years and will have to for another at least 2 with the situation we were left in.

We obviously have yet to see what becomes of the talent we have, but I think most Auburn fans feel that Harsin is probably going to be able to develop better than Malzahn did. Can Harsin recruit to the level we need to to be able to compete? I'm hopeful, but that typically comes after a team starts to win.

And my other biggest issue that I had with Malzahn was that we just never seemed prepared. Sure, there were some games that we came out and blew the doors off other teams, but there were so many times that we just looked like we didn't know what the hell was going on and pulled wins out of our asses. It was hard to admit at the time, but looking back, it's clear that preparation was always an issue and we just lacked consistency, which is so important in this sport.