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re: Auburn, I get it
Posted on 9/8/21 at 9:23 am to remaster916
Posted on 9/8/21 at 9:23 am to remaster916
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If we are being honest, how many seasons in Auburn's history have they been in the National Championship picture? Maybe 10?
Historically, Auburn isn't a constant national championship threat. Auburn will win one every 50 years or so and be in the discussion once a decade.
Winning the SEC pretty much currently puts you in the NC picture since the BCS era
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Auburn being in the national championship picture in 04, 10 and 13 was just a historical anomaly.
right...
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Posted on 9/8/21 at 9:23 am to remaster916
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Auburn will win one every 50 years or so and be in the discussion once a decade.
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Auburn being in the national championship picture in 04, 10 and 13
Check this bammer math out
Posted on 9/8/21 at 9:24 am to sta4ever
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Exactly. Auburn thinks they should be winning games like UGA and LSU do.
Yes, because we have historically. Our record with UGA was even before Chizik/Malzahn let it slip away. Gus especially lost some very winnable games vs. those two.
Posted on 9/8/21 at 9:26 am to skrayper
4 things…
Continue to recruit competitively and beat out our biggest rivals for Impact players on occasion…
Meet or beat Our historical winning percentage. (This is 9-4 which is doable even considering the strength of the league).
Occasionally win games against LSU, Uga, and Bama on the road.
Occasionally win an SEC championship and be in national championship contention. Once every ~5 years would be plenty.
Continue to recruit competitively and beat out our biggest rivals for Impact players on occasion…
Meet or beat Our historical winning percentage. (This is 9-4 which is doable even considering the strength of the league).
Occasionally win games against LSU, Uga, and Bama on the road.
Occasionally win an SEC championship and be in national championship contention. Once every ~5 years would be plenty.
This post was edited on 9/8/21 at 9:28 am
Posted on 9/8/21 at 9:27 am to remaster916
1983
1988- LSU kept AU from playing Notre Dame
1993
2004
2010
2013
2017- ranked #2 going into SECCG
So- 7 years in 38? Not bama-like, but not terrible.
1988- LSU kept AU from playing Notre Dame
1993
2004
2010
2013
2017- ranked #2 going into SECCG
So- 7 years in 38? Not bama-like, but not terrible.
Posted on 9/8/21 at 9:27 am to remaster916
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If we are being honest, how many seasons in Auburn's history have they been in the National Championship picture? Maybe 10?
Gus had AU in the conversation in November multiple years. He shat the bed most of them, but to act like AU is not capable of being there is a bit disingenuous and really just ignorant.
AU is capable of 10 wins a year with the right staff. 10 wins a year in the SEC will have you in the playoff picture year in year out. If he can capitalize 1 in every 3-4 years and make it that will be great.
Posted on 9/8/21 at 9:28 am to schatman
2006, if we dont lose to Arky, we are back in SEC CG to face UF a second time, after we already beat them that season as well
Posted on 9/8/21 at 9:28 am to jvilletiger25
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SEC championship at least once every 4 years.
Actually win it at least once every four years? That's harder than you think. With the way Alabama, LSU, Texas A&M and Auburn recruit and with the way Alabama is sucking up division titles just getting to the SEC championship game once every four years is a tall order.
This post was edited on 9/8/21 at 9:33 am
Posted on 9/8/21 at 9:29 am to NYCAuburn
Also 1990- went late into the season in the top 4 until UF and Spurrier dismantled AU
Posted on 9/8/21 at 9:29 am to remaster916
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If we are being honest,
You say this, but don't mean it.
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how many seasons in Auburn's history have they been in the National Championship picture?
Usually about once every 5 years. 2017, 2013, 2010, 2004, 1997 (definitely outside looking in, but still in the picture if we had won SECCG), 1994, 1993, 1988, 1983
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Maybe 10?
lol. I mean sure, if we are a child and don't know much.
This post was edited on 9/8/21 at 9:31 am
Posted on 9/8/21 at 9:37 am to skrayper
Bama fans (zealots) over estimate the "esteem" of being the last football factory in America.
Posted on 9/8/21 at 9:38 am to elposter
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Actually win it at least once every four years? That's harder than you think. With the way Alabama, LSU, Texas A&M and Auburn recruit and with the way Alabama is sucking up division titles just getting to the SEC championship game once every four years is a tall order.
If it was easy anyone could do it...but it is doable.
2010 SEC and NC
2013 SEC and NC runner up
2017 SEC runner up (if better coach probably end with a natty.
2021- .............
Not that far fetched.
Posted on 9/8/21 at 9:41 am to skrayper
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It seems, though, that while Gus kept you guys in games where you should have blown out the other team, he also won some games that it never seemed like you'd win.
Eh, other than a couple of the Alabama games, which are you talking about? I expect a decent Auburn team to beat a decent Oregon team on a neutral field most of the time. Like most of us in the conference, I don't really give a lot of credence to high rankings for most OOC teams. My expectations there aren't unrealistic - I don't expect mediocre AU teams to win games against good opponents all the time, I just don't see those games as terribly high hurdles for a top 15ish all time program.
Aside from 2019 Alabama, what games did Gus win in the last 5 or so years where Auburn really shouldn't have had a chance to win? I can't really think of any/many.
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I guess the question though, is do you think Harsin will still win those big games? Is it worth trading a coach that seemed to pull together some pretty impressive seasons despite being in the toughest division in college football AND with a permanent opponent that is constantly top 3 in overall talent?
Not sure if it's your intent, but it seems a bit troll-like. With rare exception, Auburn has always won big games. Gus won some. Chizik won some (briefly). Tubs won a ton of games against bigtime opponents AU had no business beating. It's the standard. So yeah, I assume Harsin will get his share if he can get the program going the way he wants it. I think Auburn knocking off 12-0 type teams in a 8-4 year is less likely than in the 90s/00s simply because there is a huge fall off from the top 2-3 to everyone else in recruiting.
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OR better yet, what does Harsin need to do to remain at Auburn? 9 win seasons? An occasional national championship? Reach LSU-level success? Reach Alabama-level success?
9-10 win seasons with fair regularity and reasonable records against our rivals. Beating UGA and LSU when they're beatable, which is pretty often, and competitive when we don't win (should be most of the time). Beating Alabama when they're vulnerable (obviously more often when this streak begins to dip). Gus left wins on the table against LSU, against UGA, against Clemson. I don't expect miracles, but laying eggs on the reg won't work.
Posted on 9/8/21 at 9:48 am to bigtrain333
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I'm not sure what LSU or UGA has done that puts them better than AU historically. Now if you want to say UA, yes but LSU and UGA? Naah. LSU has been irrelevant most of my life with a couple of great years sprinkled in. UGA was great in the early 80s with Hershel and for those 3 years they were our toughest opponent. LSU always seemed to play the spoiler role like in 1988 with the earthquake game.
UGA has always, historically, been in the series lead vs. AU with one exception: from the late 1980's/early 1990's until several years ago when UGA re-took the lead that we hold today. That brief period is the ONLY time AU has had a lead.
LSU also leads the series w/AU.
Both programs lead AU in #of bowl games. Both programs have more overall wins, higher winning percentage, and both have won more SEC titles than AU.
UGA & LSU both rank above AU.
Posted on 9/8/21 at 9:54 am to skrayper
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I guess the question though, is do you think Harsin will still win those big games? Is it worth trading a coach that seemed to pull together some pretty impressive seasons despite being in the toughest division in college football AND with a permanent opponent that is constantly top 3 in overall talent?
No idea, but what I've seen so far on the field, I like. The big question with Harsin is recruiting, but that's the biggest question with any coach in today's game.
Malzahn recruited very well, but his staff was practically nothing but recruiters. Auburn was consistently a fundamentally poor team. They were consistently unprepared. Even with recruiting, we currently have an O-line held together with bubblegum and transfers because Malzahn did not believe in recruiting it. Instead, he flooded the team with a glut of wide receivers and tight ends who never had a ball thrown their way. He had losing records to every major rival in the league and an embarrassing bowl record to say the least. Yes, he won a few no one expected him to but despite what you bammers like to say, Auburn is not Ole Miss. They have been - on average - a consistent top 25 program.
Harsin appears to be able to handle the X's and O's very well. Given that it was Akron, Bo Nix looked more poised than any other time in his Auburn career. Auburn played a clean game with a noted decrease in the usual penalties, spread the ball around the field and we actually showed a pass rush for a change. It was a major step up on the field from Gus. If he can step up in recruiting - a big task - then he will be one of the better coaches Auburn has had. If he can't, they go looking again. That's college football. There's too much money being spent at Auburn to sit comfortably at average.
Posted on 9/8/21 at 9:55 am to skrayper
One too many head-scratching losses through his tenure along with 0-12 on the road at Tuscaloosa, Baton Rouge, and Athens. 2-5 in bowl appearances.
Posted on 9/8/21 at 9:56 am to JetDawg
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UGA has always, historically, been in the series lead vs. AU with one exception: from the late 1980's/early 1990's until several years ago when UGA re-took the lead that we hold today. That brief period is the ONLY time AU has had a lead.
this isnt even remotely truePosted on 9/8/21 at 9:58 am to JetDawg
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UGA has always, historically, been in the series lead vs. AU with one exception: from the late 1980's/early 1990's until several years ago when UGA re-took the lead that we hold today. That brief period is the ONLY time AU has had a lead.
It was the better part of a couple of decades during prime years for the SEC and modern CFB. So it's not like it was a blip.
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UGA & LSU both rank above AU.
I agree. I think until pretty recently it was a little questionable with regard to LSU being above AU and all three were clustered pretty close together in that top 10-17 all time range. Now UGA and LSU have both put a little distance in the grouping. But a good 3-4 year run would close that gap for Auburn quite a bit.
Now, on paper UGA should be a cut above both LSU and Auburn, and in the things that matter most I'm not sure UGA is the better historical program (than LSU), certainly not in modern era.
My expectation for Auburn is to stay within striking distance of UGA in a historical ranking context, and pretty close to LSU. LSU has the advantage of a talent-rich state to itself, but it's got more institutional problems than Auburn and is in a state with less upside, somehow.
Posted on 9/8/21 at 10:00 am to GoCrazyAuburn
we were also in the picture in 2014 (ranked #3 in November) before collapsing and losing our last 3 of 4.
even 2016 we were inside the top 10 in November before, once again, dropping 2 of our last 3 games.
we also snuck our way into the top 10 during 2018 before losing to State and the season derailed.
in 2019 we were also in the top 10 for many weeks all the way until the last week of October when we lost to LSU and then UGA a couple weeks later.
that's 2010, 2013, 2014, 2016, 2017, 2019 where Auburn has been in the mix at some point or another. so HISTORICALLY speaking, Auburn is pretty relevant in the 21st century, especially 2010+.
i think the inconsistency and inability to finish (which is easily seen by my comments above) is what drives all of us fans mad. we have often been in a position of opportunity only to crap the bed when it really matters.
edited to add - UGA is clearly above Auburn now, and I consider LSU and Auburn to be equals with a lot of similarities. the Tiger Bowl is a game I always mark with a question mark because you never know how it's going to go, unless it's in BR lol. love the rivalry.
even 2016 we were inside the top 10 in November before, once again, dropping 2 of our last 3 games.
we also snuck our way into the top 10 during 2018 before losing to State and the season derailed.
in 2019 we were also in the top 10 for many weeks all the way until the last week of October when we lost to LSU and then UGA a couple weeks later.
that's 2010, 2013, 2014, 2016, 2017, 2019 where Auburn has been in the mix at some point or another. so HISTORICALLY speaking, Auburn is pretty relevant in the 21st century, especially 2010+.
i think the inconsistency and inability to finish (which is easily seen by my comments above) is what drives all of us fans mad. we have often been in a position of opportunity only to crap the bed when it really matters.
edited to add - UGA is clearly above Auburn now, and I consider LSU and Auburn to be equals with a lot of similarities. the Tiger Bowl is a game I always mark with a question mark because you never know how it's going to go, unless it's in BR lol. love the rivalry.
This post was edited on 9/8/21 at 10:04 am
Posted on 9/8/21 at 10:04 am to Nerd
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Go back further than 2019 and get back to us
I did.
Prior to 2020, Gus averaged 8.9 wins per season.
He was 2-5 in bowl games.
He has 1 SEC Title and 2 SEC West Titles
He had a 66.7% winning percentage
Going back to other posts, I'm glad to see Auburn getting discipline on their sidelines. Gus was barely a head coach before coming to Auburn, a huge P5 program. Harsin has some time under his belt having to run a program.
I don't know if he'll be successful at Auburn, record-wise, but getting the players on-board and installing a system of discipline that's also fun will go a long way, I think, to making Auburn a more consistent team. Will they win SEC titles and NCs? No way to know - they definitely don't have an easy road ahead of them.
The only drawback to coaching at Auburn, at least to me, is that you could be a legit top 10 team every year but not finish in the top 10 because you're playing 2-3 top 5 teams every year.
I'm not one of those Alabama fans that thinks the level of play at Tuscaloosa will remain forever. I was there for Shula, for DuBose, for Perkins, etc. I think when Saban retires Alabama will probably have enough talent for 2-3 years of dominance by his replacement, at most, then the Wild Wild West of SEC football comes afterwards. We may all end up cannibalizing each other to the point that the West has too many losses to end up in the playoffs (unless they expand), but it will certain be some very wild seasons. If Harsin is your guy, he'll probably still be around for those years.
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