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re: "As losses vs. ranked teams mount, what exactly is Will Muschamp's ceiling?" -- SDS
Posted on 11/13/18 at 3:19 pm to BullDozerDawg
Posted on 11/13/18 at 3:19 pm to BullDozerDawg
Shouldn't he get a full 4-5 years so the team is entirely his before we start writing his obituary? It's not like he's had all time bad seasons at USCe and Spurrier didn't exactly leave him anything close to a ready built conference contender.
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Posted on 11/13/18 at 3:29 pm to Gatorbait2008
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HE failed at Florida. Anyone who thought he would succeed at USC after that is beyond idiotic. Spurrier showed the top end of what can be achieved at either school. If Champ couldn’t do it at UF...how can anyone rationalize he could at a lesser program even Spurrier couldn’t win the SEC at?
It’s why every Florida fan laughed at USC fans when they blindly thought he would do well: despite it being really naive to believe.
I beg to differ. Very few SC fans thought it was a good hire. You are lucky that he didn't beat you twice in a row.
Posted on 11/13/18 at 3:57 pm to BullDozerDawg
He will keep USC middle of the pack winning 6-9 games a year.
Similar to Mullen at MSU
Similar to Mullen at MSU
Posted on 11/13/18 at 4:23 pm to BullDozerDawg
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Above average coaches get results by year 2... year 3 at the latest.
In his third year at South Carolina, Spurrier finished 6-6, missing a bowl game, and losing the last 5 games. Guess by your standard he wasn't even an above average coach?
This isn't Florida or Georgia where you can throw a rock and hit three 4 star high school players nearby. It was going to take several years to get enough quality players here to be competitive with top tier teams. The fact he took last year's team to 9 wins was a small miracle.
Posted on 11/13/18 at 4:37 pm to xenythx
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he continues to make the same mistakes over and over again and expecting different results.
He was destined to fail the moment he thought bringing Roper and Dillman with him, who he previously failed with, was a good idea. He had a chance to make a homerun offensive coordinator hire after letting Roper go, but he hired within and went with a guy that has never called plays before.
"destined to fail" is probably a little strong, but this was the thing that stood out to me the most. You could argue that Roper didn't have enough time to make a significant impact on Florida while he was there, but good Coordinators do just that.
Seemingly, Muschamp either struggles to build relationships with top offensive minds, or can't attract them to work with him. I like BMac as much as the next Dawg, but hiring him as outright OC for a program that desperately needed direction on the offensive side of the ball was a strange move. BMac needed to go take an OC under an offensive minded coach and get some on the job training in that aspect.
Posted on 11/13/18 at 4:39 pm to BullDozerDawg
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Carolina can do better.
Maybe but who?
Posted on 11/13/18 at 4:39 pm to BullDozerDawg
I thought he'd done a good job there his first two years. He's obviously disappointed this season though, especially on the defensive side of the ball.
Posted on 11/13/18 at 4:44 pm to KingSlayer
Trying to compare a National Championship caliber and HOF HC to a guy who got fired from his last gig for underperforming is a bold move. Champ doesn't even belong in the same universe as The OL ball coach.
Posted on 11/13/18 at 4:44 pm to Jake_LaMotta
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Muschamp is a great D-Coordinator. He is an awful Head Coach.
Their defense is ranked #84 right now. That's pretty shocking.
Posted on 11/13/18 at 4:47 pm to BullDozerDawg
Scar beat Bama in 09 tho. That counts as a ranked win every year in their mind
Posted on 11/13/18 at 4:49 pm to BullDozerDawg
He couldn’t make it at Florida, yet he was going to work at Carolina?
Posted on 11/13/18 at 4:51 pm to BullDozerDawg
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Trying to compare a National Championship caliber and HOF HC to a guy who got fired from his last gig for underperforming is a bold move. Champ doesn't even belong in the same universe as The OL ball coach.
I didn't compare them. I merely put Spurrier up to your statement to show you how stupid it was.
Posted on 11/13/18 at 4:53 pm to TouchdownToCauseHell
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Scar beat Bama in 09 tho. That counts as a ranked win every year in their mind
No, we lost to Bama in '09.
Posted on 11/13/18 at 5:10 pm to Korin
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Their defense is ranked #84 right now. That's pretty shocking.
Had a bunch of injuries in an already thin secondary
Posted on 11/13/18 at 5:55 pm to BullDozerDawg
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Trying to compare a National Championship caliber and HOF HC to a guy who got fired from his last gig for underperforming is a bold move. Champ doesn't even belong in the same universe as The OL ball coach.
If OBC was so much better then it stands to reason he would have had them playing better than 6-6 by his third year though. He didn't and that's b/c USCe is a tough place to win big. Why should Muschamp be held to a higher standard in year 3 than OBC?
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Posted on 11/13/18 at 6:22 pm to BullDozerDawg
quote:From the outside looking in, that is a fair question. The problem is not what he has accomplished but what did he have to overcome. I thought from day one that whoever came in to replace Spurrier would need 5 years to get the program competitive nationally. He has actually done more with less than the other way around. We are, in reality, a 7 win team and this year bears that out. Muschamp raised expectations by winning ugly. The breaks that go your way...well...they can just as easily go the other way the next year. That's where we are if you look at it in reality....and no one does !
What's the consensus? Is Muschamp in over his head or does he turn South Carolina around? Personally I don't think he is or ever was the answer & that Carolina can do better.
Posted on 11/13/18 at 6:30 pm to Dr RC
That's a fair point. Apparently I view South Carolina as a better job than it really is (I think it has the potential to be really good).
The end of year 3 and zero signature wins and a terrible record against Top 25 teams would be enough of a sample size for most big time programs to realize their HC isn't it.
The end of year 3 and zero signature wins and a terrible record against Top 25 teams would be enough of a sample size for most big time programs to realize their HC isn't it.
This post was edited on 11/13/18 at 6:32 pm
Posted on 11/13/18 at 6:53 pm to BullDozerDawg
quote:It's actually a great job. Great fan support and great facilities. We only lack a winning tradition. That is a big obstacle to overcome when you are competing against teams in the SEC for players.
That's a fair point. Apparently I view South Carolina as a better job than it really is (I think it has the potential to be really good).
Posted on 11/13/18 at 7:06 pm to Gatorbait2008
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It’s why every Florida fan laughed at USC fans when they blindly thought he would do well: despite it being really naive to believe.
The thought was that the fan expectations at USCe are significantly lower than they are at Florida, therefore Muschamp’s ability to meet those expectations are better.
I do think that the Cock fans will lose patience with him in the next couple of years if there is no improvement in what was shown this year. Next year, it is essentially his team, all of it.
Posted on 11/13/18 at 7:38 pm to BullDozerDawg
Our ceiling with Muschamp is 8-4 imo. Not enough talent in-state and we have to compete against UGA and Clemson, two Top 5 programs at the moment. And it sucks because those bastards in the Upstate rub it in our faces every chance they get. I'd shave a year off my life to beat Clemson this year.
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