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"As losses vs. ranked teams mount, what exactly is Will Muschamp's ceiling?" -- SDS
Posted on 11/13/18 at 1:47 pm
Posted on 11/13/18 at 1:47 pm
Curious as to the opposing SEC fanbases thoughts on Muschamp and the job he's done this far as well as the Carolina fans thoughts on his performance as year 3 starts to come to an end.
SDS brings home some pretty eye opening numbers/quotes below:
What's the consensus? Is Muschamp in over his head or does he turn South Carolina around? Personally I don't think he is or ever was the answer & that Carolina can do better.
LINK to SDS article
SDS brings home some pretty eye opening numbers/quotes below:
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When the clock hit zero in Gainesville on Saturday, reality set in for South Carolina.
Another ranked team, another loss.
The latest was even more crushing than usual after Will Muschamp blew a 17-point lead in the final 16 minutes against his former team. It marked the fourth time in as many games this year that the Gamecocks dropped to a ranked opponent, and it was actually the ninth consecutive loss to a Top-25 foe dating to 2016. Not since Muschamp’s first year in Columbia have the Gamecocks taken down a ranked team (and it was against Butch Jones, so there should probably be an asterisk on that one).
A 1-11 record vs. Top 25 teams in his first 3 years isn’t ideal. With a road trip to unbeaten Clemson in a couple weeks, the odds of that getting better before bowl season aren’t great.
As a result of that woeful record against quality foes, South Carolina hasn’t been recognized as one. The Gamecocks spent a total of 1 week of the Muschamp era in the Associated Press Top 25 … which ended when they got their teeth kicked in by Georgia at home in Week 2.
With Muschamp staring at a mediocre Year 3 that’ll ultimately fall short of high preseason expectations, the question is not about his job security. Someone a year removed from being an SEC Coach of the Year candidate doesn’t deserve that, especially if you look at what he inherited.
But it’s perfectly fair to ask the question now — what’s South Carolina’s upside with Muschamp?
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With new coaches, Florida and Tennessee already look like they have higher ceilings than South Carolina. After all, the Gators and Vols each have multiple wins against ranked opponents this year. This year hasn’t exactly been a good sign that Muschamp’s group will rise above mediocrity in what looked like an extremely winnable division when he arrived.
What's the consensus? Is Muschamp in over his head or does he turn South Carolina around? Personally I don't think he is or ever was the answer & that Carolina can do better.
LINK to SDS article
This post was edited on 11/13/18 at 1:47 pm
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Posted on 11/13/18 at 1:48 pm to BullDozerDawg
He's just another in a long line of shitty Saban cosplayers, maybe the worst.
Posted on 11/13/18 at 1:48 pm to BullDozerDawg
Quality first post...
Posted on 11/13/18 at 1:49 pm to BullDozerDawg
Muschamp is a great D-Coordinator. He is an awful Head Coach.
Posted on 11/13/18 at 2:07 pm to BullDozerDawg
8 reg season wins with a 9th coming in the Bowl.
We also need a very talented state, unless he goes in and starts stealing recruits from UF, Clemson and UGA.
We also need a very talented state, unless he goes in and starts stealing recruits from UF, Clemson and UGA.
Posted on 11/13/18 at 2:19 pm to craigbiggio
Will Muschamp First 3 seasons at Florida First 3 seasons at SC
Overall records 22-16 (UF) 20-15 (USC)
SEC record 13-11(UF) 12-12(USC)
Winning division records 1(UF) 1 (USC)
Record vs. ranked teams 4-11 (UF) 1-11 (USC)
It's been 3 years since taking over and nothing of substance has been achieved. The results are similar to UF, but worse.
Above average coaches get results by year 2... year 3 at the latest. He's done neither and I don't think that changes in year 4.
Overall records 22-16 (UF) 20-15 (USC)
SEC record 13-11(UF) 12-12(USC)
Winning division records 1(UF) 1 (USC)
Record vs. ranked teams 4-11 (UF) 1-11 (USC)
It's been 3 years since taking over and nothing of substance has been achieved. The results are similar to UF, but worse.
Above average coaches get results by year 2... year 3 at the latest. He's done neither and I don't think that changes in year 4.
Posted on 11/13/18 at 2:32 pm to BullDozerDawg
There are some legitimate concerns about Muschamp at USC. This was the year they looked ready to take a step forward... and they've faltered.
They have beaten the teams they should have beaten, and in some exciting games no less, but they've whiffed against ranked teams.
7-5 seems likely. Which is a perfectly fine season. But for a team that some of us, myself included, thought could challenge for the East its a let down.
They have beaten the teams they should have beaten, and in some exciting games no less, but they've whiffed against ranked teams.
7-5 seems likely. Which is a perfectly fine season. But for a team that some of us, myself included, thought could challenge for the East its a let down.
Posted on 11/13/18 at 2:34 pm to BullDozerDawg
We all tried to warn all the cocks when he was hired but they didn't listen. Some of them even went as far as saying he would be better than Kirby 
Posted on 11/13/18 at 2:35 pm to Arksulli
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This was the year they looked ready to take a step forward... and they've faltered.
Remember when everyone was picking them to upset Georgia at home. That was funny
Posted on 11/13/18 at 2:37 pm to Arksulli
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There are some legitimate concerns about Muschamp at USC. This was the year they looked ready to take a step forward... and they've faltered.
They have beaten the teams they should have beaten, and in some exciting games no less, but they've whiffed against ranked teams.
7-5 seems likely. Which is a perfectly fine season. But for a team that some of us, myself included, thought could challenge for the East its a let down.
it kinda pisses me off that we had such high hopes from the media while vegas had us at either 7 or 7.5 wins (based on what book you looked at)
We are going to finish right where they thought.
Also in our 9 win season last year it was a very mediocre 9 wins.
Posted on 11/13/18 at 2:41 pm to BullDozerDawg
If he beats Clemson, they'll erect a statue in his honor.
If he gets destroyed, they'll get erect with hate boners and call for his head.
If he gets destroyed, they'll get erect with hate boners and call for his head.
Posted on 11/13/18 at 2:44 pm to BullDozerDawg
Because of his recruiting ability and defensive mind, he shows occasional flashes of being a good coach but he continues to make the same mistakes over and over again and expecting different results.
He was destined to fail the moment he thought bringing Roper and Dillman with him, who he previously failed with, was a good idea. He had a chance to make a homerun offensive coordinator hire after letting Roper go, but he hired within and went with a guy that has never called plays before.
He was destined to fail the moment he thought bringing Roper and Dillman with him, who he previously failed with, was a good idea. He had a chance to make a homerun offensive coordinator hire after letting Roper go, but he hired within and went with a guy that has never called plays before.
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Posted on 11/13/18 at 2:45 pm to BullDozerDawg
his only ranked win is vs Lyle Allen Jones?
Posted on 11/13/18 at 2:50 pm to sand mountainDvalues
quote:A win against a Jones-coached team isn't just a win against a ranked opponent; it's a win against a Champion of Life.
his only ranked win is vs Lyle Allen Jones?
Posted on 11/13/18 at 2:50 pm to BullDozerDawg
In his defense, he had to take on top 5 Clemson twice and top 5 UGA twice, so that's four losses right there. I think TAMU was top 10 when they played a couple years back.
Not many programs outside the SEC-W faced that sort of line-up of heavy hitters.
Not many programs outside the SEC-W faced that sort of line-up of heavy hitters.
Posted on 11/13/18 at 2:50 pm to BullDozerDawg
I am not overly concerned. He has done better in his first three years than any other SC coach has. It took Spurrier 6 years to have a nine win season, as we had last year, and Clemson was not a national power then. Muschamp also took over a 3-9 train wreck that had lost to The Citadel, and made a bowl his first season. We are who we are. I understand that.
Posted on 11/13/18 at 3:06 pm to I Bleed Garnet
He was in a talent hot bed at UF
Posted on 11/13/18 at 3:13 pm to BullDozerDawg
HE failed at Florida. Anyone who thought he would succeed at USC after that is beyond idiotic. Spurrier showed the top end of what can be achieved at either school. If Champ couldn’t do it at UF...how can anyone rationalize he could at a lesser program even Spurrier couldn’t win the SEC at?
It’s why every Florida fan laughed at USC fans when they blindly thought he would do well: despite it being really naive to believe.
It’s why every Florida fan laughed at USC fans when they blindly thought he would do well: despite it being really naive to believe.
Posted on 11/13/18 at 3:14 pm to BullDozerDawg
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With new coaches, Florida and Tennessee already look like they have higher ceilings than South Carolina.
Why do they look to have higher ceilings? It's too early to tell in my opinion.
Posted on 11/13/18 at 3:18 pm to TNG8r
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He was in a talent hot bed at UF
And he fricked that up.
Why I said he will get 8-9 wins max.
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