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Posted on 11/24/23 at 6:49 am to GusAU
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Overrated?
No, because that was Flutie's "Heisman Moment" that Heisman Trophy winners used to need to win the trophy.
Today, the concept of a Heisman Moment no longer really exists, and the trophy is just handed off to the MVP of the team that the voters think will go on to win the College Football Playoff. LSU's Daniels did an amazing thing in the country's toughest conference and kept his team from losing more than 3 games with a defense ranked #103 overall. Yet the trophy will be given to Nix instead, since his team will play in the CFP after beating up on teams from a conference that is literally falling apart. Last that I saw, Ohio State has a wide receiver who is ranked third in the Heisman odds but isn't even close to being the top player at his own position in the national statistics, much less the top overall player for the entire nation. For that matter, what Heisman moments did any of the recent Bama Heisman winners have? It looked like Bama would win the CFP each of those years, so the Heisman voters just automatically voted in their team MVP.
Heck, at this point, it has gotten even further out of hand. I'm not even sure that Bryce Young was even the team MVP for Bama the year that he won it; he just had the most visibility of any particular player on that team...
Posted on 11/24/23 at 7:43 am to gumbeaux
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Did the Dallas Cowboys have the first Hail Mary and the term coined on that pla
Yep. Roger Staubach hit Drew Pearson to beat the Vikings in the 1st round of the 75 playoffs. The Saints vs Falcons had a similar game back in the late 70's called "Big Ben" where the Saints lost on a 60 yard pass that was tipped by several guys before being caught for the winning TD by Falcons. The Hail Mary description of the 75 Cowboy/Viking playoff game became more of the nomenclature.
Posted on 11/24/23 at 7:47 am to ManBearSharkReb
Anyone else remember Ole Miss never representing the West in the era of SEC divisions 1992-2023?
Posted on 11/24/23 at 8:17 am to Thorny
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But, it was already an exciting game before Flutie's game winner. It was the first real quarterback duel. Prior to that play, the game had gone back-and-forth all night
My mom even sat down to watch the 4th quarter. That’s how good the game was.
Posted on 11/24/23 at 8:31 am to GusAU
It's an iconic play, but honestly, Gerard Phelan's catch was more difficult. All Flutie had to do was rare back and chunk it. Just about any starting Power 5 QB can do that. For Phelan to avoid the defenders and have the focus and hands to make that catch is more impressive to me.
Posted on 11/24/23 at 8:33 am to GusAU
No
Posted on 11/24/23 at 8:37 am to GusAU
East Coast bias
If Boston College had a dominant team and went 13-0, they’d be ranked #1 and you’d never hear the end of it, until they lost in the playoffs.
If Boston College had a dominant team and went 13-0, they’d be ranked #1 and you’d never hear the end of it, until they lost in the playoffs.
Posted on 11/24/23 at 8:45 am to GusAU
Colorado's Kordell to Michael Westbrook 64 yard Hail Mary in '94 vs Michigan was more spectacular and relevant than Flutie's HM.
Posted on 11/24/23 at 8:47 am to gumbeaux
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Did the Dallas Cowboys have the first Hail Mary and the term coined on that play?
Yea. 1975 divisional playoff vs. Minnesota.
Posted on 11/24/23 at 8:57 am to BurntOrangeMan
quote:this is the thing that made it important.
you didn't get 60+ televised games a week back then, fraction of that & this was against defending champions Miami on center stage the day after Thanksgiving in a national broadcast
The networks rolled the dice to find good games back then, and they came up winners with this.
Flutie had momentum building for the Heisman, but BC was still basically unknown outside of the Northeast. The Eastern teams were Penn State, Pitt, and W Virginia. Sometimes Syracuse. This was a nobody, and suddenly they had the most exciting player in football.
They were playing the newly crowned Kings of football, which had recently taken that spot from Nebraska, and still had Bernie Kosar (their QB who did it).
This was the college version of Marino vs Montana, and the game played to form.
quote:This is like an adult saying Christmas is better now, and getting that Atari back in the 70's was overrated because of all the game systems we see now.
I remember watching that game. It was a really cool ending and I enjoyed watching it.
Posted on 11/24/23 at 9:37 am to GusAU
Seeing total loser Bernie Kosar's meltdown after that play was one of that year's highlights for me. I disliked Bernie almost as much as his thieving father did.
Posted on 11/24/23 at 9:39 am to Scoob
I remember watching the whole thing at my grandparents house. We were all enthralled in the game.
It was an amazingly entertaining game that saw great play from Flutie against a team most people hated, and in an era when there were very few games televised.
It was an amazingly entertaining game that saw great play from Flutie against a team most people hated, and in an era when there were very few games televised.
This post was edited on 11/24/23 at 9:40 am
Posted on 11/24/23 at 12:50 pm to TheDude321
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For that matter, what Heisman moments did any of the recent Bama Heisman winners have?
Posted on 11/24/23 at 1:15 pm to GusAU
Do you think “The Play” was overrated? It I a historic moment in college football yet it was between two 0.500 teams. Every big moment doesn’t have to decide a national title.
This thinking is why we should have never gone to the BCS. College football was once a spectacle itself. Who was voted national champs was just bragging rights. The competition of each game was worthy of admiration. That’s why many historical moments came from games between teams that didn’t sniff a title.
One of my top 3 plays as a Bama fan is the Prothro catch. And that was against Southern Miss.
This thinking is why we should have never gone to the BCS. College football was once a spectacle itself. Who was voted national champs was just bragging rights. The competition of each game was worthy of admiration. That’s why many historical moments came from games between teams that didn’t sniff a title.
One of my top 3 plays as a Bama fan is the Prothro catch. And that was against Southern Miss.
Posted on 11/24/23 at 1:22 pm to Scoob
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This is like an adult saying Christmas is better now, and getting that Atari back in the 70's was overrated because of all the game systems we see now.
Posted on 11/24/23 at 1:28 pm to Krampus
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This is a good opportunity to realize that almost all of sports "lore" is just media replaying things the current crop old people remember as if it really mattered.
I’m honestly surprised by that take coming from an Aggie. This Saturday matters to both of us, but not so much to the rest of the country. It’s a sentimental business
Posted on 11/24/23 at 2:24 pm to TheDude321
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Today, the concept of a Heisman Moment no longer really exists, and the trophy is just handed off to the MVP of the team that the voters think will go on to win the College Football Playoff. LSU's Daniels did an amazing thing in the country's toughest conference and kept his team from losing more than 3 games with a defense ranked #103 overall. Yet the trophy will be given to Nix instead, since his team will play in the CFP after beating up on teams from a conference that is literally falling apart. Last that I saw, Ohio State has a wide receiver who is ranked third in the Heisman odds but isn't even close to being the top player at his own position in the national statistics, much less the top overall player for the entire nation. For that matter, what Heisman moments did any of the recent Bama Heisman winners have? It looked like Bama would win the CFP each of those years, so the Heisman voters just automatically voted in their team MVP. Heck, at this point, it has gotten even further out of hand. I'm not even sure that Bryce Young was even the team MVP for Bama the year that he won it; he just had the most visibility of any particular player on that team...
What was Daniel’s Heisman moment? He’s lost his 3 biggest games this year
Posted on 11/24/23 at 2:26 pm to gumbeaux
Roger Staubach to Drew Pearson. Playoff game at the Vikings.
Posted on 11/25/23 at 1:55 am to Marco Esquandolas
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No. The voting was done/in before the game started.
You are correct. Man, what fools ran college. football back in the day.
Let's play bowl games, but they don't really count.
Let's go ahead and send out bowl invites with three games left to play.
Let's vote for the Heisman with some of the biggest games still remaining on the schedule.
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