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Posted on 1/19/16 at 1:37 pm to CNB
Exactly, the SEC is the Big 1
Posted on 1/19/16 at 1:41 pm to NYCAuburn
Correct - is there a spreadsheet showing the derivation of these numbers?
Posted on 1/19/16 at 1:42 pm to TheDude321
Pretty much every source on the Internet lists Auburn, Georgia, and LSU as having the toughest strength of schedules among SEC schools historically
Links?
Links?
Posted on 1/19/16 at 1:44 pm to Scoreboard
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Correct - is there a spreadsheet showing the derivation of these numbers?
read the thread and you will find it
ETA. hint, it was on the same page as your post
This post was edited on 1/19/16 at 1:45 pm
Posted on 1/19/16 at 1:55 pm to texag7
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Has anyone ever seen an article referring to the "Big 6" outside of this forum? Honest question
yeah, [link=(here is the first link I saw on google)]https://espn.go.com/colleges/lsu/football/story/_/id/8684462/lsu-tigers-big-6-sec-conference-programs[/link]
but this Big 6 includes LSU, Bama, UF, UGA, USCe, and ATM
Posted on 1/19/16 at 1:58 pm to BHMKyle
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Mizzou has given it a pretty good go in the first four years, but I doubt they'll keep up that pace as the years go by
Of course, we were never supposed to give it a pretty good go in the first four years either.
Also, if one were to include Mizzou's record against SEC teams prior to joining the SEC, we jump to 41-32-1 all time. I dunno why, but we really waxed y'alls asses all over the place in non-con matchups in the 1960s and 70s. Not just talking Vandys and Kentuckys either, we're talking Bama, LSU, Florida, Auburn etc.
Posted on 1/19/16 at 1:59 pm to Brosef Stalin17
I'm surprised that UF is so high considering we didn't really think about football until the 1950s and then took 40 years to get it going.
Posted on 1/19/16 at 2:01 pm to BHMKyle
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If teams played eachother before or after a team joined or left the SEC, those games don't count. Only the games played during the seasons in which both programs were SEC members.
Why not? Everyone else claims SEC Championships and stuff before we joined?
41-31-1 (.568 winning percentage)
Posted on 1/19/16 at 2:02 pm to SummerOfGeorge
quote:damn right.
Never lost a party, though
Posted on 1/19/16 at 3:53 pm to Scoreboard
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Since 1933, Auburn has literally played an extra 100 games against other "Big6 + Georgia Tech" teams compared to LSU.
I don't believe this. Auburn didn't even play Alabama for about 30 of those years because they had a fight over gate receipts.
Auburn and Alabama did not play from 1908 through 1947. The SEC began in 1933. So only 15 years of SEC play took place without an Iron Bowl.
They've played Alabama annually now since 1948.
Auburn did play Georgia Tech annually when they were in the SEC.
They play Georgia annually.
They played Florida annually up through 2002.
They played Tennessee annually up through 1991.
And now they began playing LSU annually in 1992.
That covers all of the other 5.
Posted on 1/19/16 at 4:00 pm to Scoreboard
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Correct - is there a spreadsheet showing the derivation of these numbers?
It would be interesting. I'm curious why they are inaccurate.
Posted on 1/19/16 at 4:04 pm to roadGator
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I'm surprised that UF is so high considering we didn't really think about football until the 1950s and then took 40 years to get it going.
It's called domination from 1990 through 2009.
Unfortunately for the Gators, the last seven seasons have looked more like Florida Football pre-1990.
Here is Florida's record against teams that FINISHED ranked in the Final AP Poll
1936-1989: 35-110-5 (25.0%)
1990-2009: 58-46-1 (55.7%)
2010-2015: 8-24 (25.0%)
It's amazing that Florida's winning percentage against teams that finished ranked in the AP Top 25 has reverted back to the exact number it was before the Golden Age of Gator football.
Unfortunately for Florida, your 20 years of fame are up.
Posted on 1/19/16 at 4:06 pm to Scoreboard
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Pretty much every source on the Internet lists Auburn, Georgia, and LSU as having the toughest strength of schedules among SEC schools historically
Links?
Toughest schedules if you take opponents record * 2/3 and opponents' opponent record * 1/3:
Florida .5429
Alabama .5414
Auburn .5413
Georgia .5320
LSU .5317
Tennessee .5311
Arkansas .5235
Posted on 1/19/16 at 4:07 pm to EmperorGout
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they were far more respectable in the paleolithic days of CFB
That's an issue with the OP's standings. Not all teams that are Big Six members today would have been members in the SEC's earliest years. Georgia Tech, Ole Miss, and Tulane would have been early members, while Auburn and Florida would not.
Posted on 1/19/16 at 4:36 pm to TheDude321
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That's an issue with the OP's standings. Not all teams that are Big Six members today would have been members in the SEC's earliest years. Georgia Tech, Ole Miss, and Tulane would have been early members, while Auburn and Florida would not.
Uhh. Florida is for sure questionable, but Auburn had a decent enough resume over that period of time to still be considered.
From 1935 up through 1965 (Tulane's final year in the SEC, and one year after GT left the SEC)... Auburn had an overall record of 174-133-19. Not great, but not terrible. But they also had the 1957 National Title in hand which was more than most other SEC programs could claim at that time.
Georgia Tech and Ole Miss were certainly in the better half of the league in those days. No doubt.
But the fact of the matter is, Georgia Tech left the SEC. If they were still in the league, they'd still be considered part of the top group (assuming they still would have gone up to win the 1990 National Title).
Ole Miss' record from about 1970 to the present has disqualified them from consideration. Sure they have 5 SEC Titles dating back to the 1950s and 1960s.
But since 1972, Ole Miss is barely above .500 as a program. You can't go more than 40 years with a 50% winning percentage and expect to be considered in the upper echelon.
Posted on 1/19/16 at 9:09 pm to BHMKyle
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From 1935 up through 1965 (Tulane's final year in the SEC, and one year after GT left the SEC)... Auburn had an overall record of 174-133-19. Not great, but not terrible. But they also had the 1957 National Title in hand which was more than most other SEC programs could claim at that time.
From 33 to 65, Auburn had a losing record to SEC teams, by a substantial margin. Why would you change standards mid-stream? Because Auburn had a killer record against the collection of weaklings that SEC teams played non-conference, are we to supposed they were upper tier? A 21.5% winning percentage against teams that finished in the AP poll, below the standard you blasted Florida for.
This post was edited on 1/19/16 at 9:24 pm
Posted on 1/20/16 at 4:30 pm to boxedlunch
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From 33 to 65, Auburn had a losing record to SEC teams, by a substantial margin. Why would you change standards mid-stream?
Maybe he realized that he had weakened his earlier argument that Georgia was courageous for playing Auburn and Florida in the SEC's early years while LSU must have been dodging them by playing Ole Miss and Tulane instead.
The fact of the matter is that Ole Miss and Tulane had 9 SEC titles combined during that era while AU and UF had just 1 SEC title combined (up until the 1980s)--and by today's standards would actually have had 0 titles since SEC teams on NCAA probation can no longer compete for the conference crown.
Could Georgia have actually been the school during that era that dodged the stronger teams of the conference in order to play the weaker teams? I'm just sayin'...
Posted on 1/20/16 at 4:41 pm to BHMKyle
LSU has only played Tennessee 26 times and Georgia 27 times. That's probably why LSU has 100 less games against the big six. Auburn playing those two teams early on makes geographical sense.
Posted on 1/20/16 at 4:50 pm to BHMKyle
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4. Georgia (46.47%)
5. Auburn (48.32%)
Try again, Corky.
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