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re: Alabama's Home Schedule

Posted on 9/11/19 at 9:53 am to
Posted by rebelrouser
Columbia, SC
Member since Feb 2013
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Posted on 9/11/19 at 9:53 am to
Call Monken at Army. bet he will play you.
Posted by AHM21
Member since Feb 2008
24469 posts
Posted on 9/11/19 at 9:58 am to
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The boring home game schedule doesn’t help


It’s the direct cause of students leaving early. Games against New Mexico State belong on the SEC Network and they’d rather have a competitive night game on over a 62-10 beat down. In September, that equals an unbearable afternoon slot.
This post was edited on 9/11/19 at 9:59 am
Posted by Adam Banks
District 5
Member since Sep 2009
31796 posts
Posted on 9/11/19 at 10:02 am to
Do I care what your series record is with no context? No. Florida has been very up and down.

In the last 7 years you have played UGA and Florida in the regular season twice total.

LSU played both just last season.

Also I’m sure you like to pump up the “grind of an sec season” week in week out and don’t take into account what the effect of playing a top flight east team has on injuries and wear and tear. You only play a tough east opponent 2 years out of 12 and may catch them on a down swing. Catching in a down swing is no ones fault just the way things fall. Whereas Tennessee is in a permanent down swing. Playing them permanently is your fault

Its a significant advantage. Does it change much of what has happened over the past decade in terms of the west representative? Probably not but there’s no way to prove.

If you want a tougher schedule though there’s FAR simpler solutions than adding sec games
This post was edited on 9/11/19 at 10:04 am
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
102699 posts
Posted on 9/11/19 at 10:07 am to
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Do I care what your series record is with no context? No. Florida has been very up and down.

In the last 7 years you have played UGA and Florida in the regular season twice total.

LSU played both just last season.

Also I’m sure you like to pump up the “grind of an sec season” week in week out and don’t take into account what the effect of playing a top flight east team has on injuries and wear and tear. You only play a tough east opponent 2 years out of 12 and may catch them on a down swing. Whereas Tennessee is in a permanent down swing.

Its a significant advantage. Does it change much of what has happened over the past decade in terms of the west representative? Probably not but there’s no way to prove.

If you want a tougher schedule though there’s FAR simpler solutions than adding sec games




You guys like to toss the Florida game out there as if it's a big deal. It isn't. We've beaten the shite out of Florida every time we've played them since 2008 - and almost all of those Florida teams have been their better teams. The only "good" Florida team we missed was the 2012 version. Every single time Florida has been to Atlanta in the last decade they've played us - and they've lost (badly, I might add).

So, complain about Tennessee all you want as if playing Florida is some great tribulation from the big mean SEC office - but know that we've actually beaten Florida as bad or worse as we've beaten Tennessee the last 10 years.

Alabama has utterly dominated everyone in this league outside of Auburn and the 2 year Ole Miss swing over the last 5 years. East, West, home, road, Atlanta, it doesn't matter. The fact that you guys still like to act as if playing a 9-4 Florida team vs a 6-7 Tennessee team is the linchpin to it all is just insanity.
This post was edited on 9/11/19 at 10:09 am
Posted by RT1941
Member since May 2007
30192 posts
Posted on 9/11/19 at 10:24 am to
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Do I care what your series record is with no context? No. Florida has been very up and down.

In the last 7 years you have played UGA and Florida in the regular season twice total.

LSU played both just last season.

Also I’m sure you like to pump up the “grind of an sec season” week in week out and don’t take into account what the effect of playing a top flight east team has on injuries and wear and tear. You only play a tough east opponent 2 years out of 12 and may catch them on a down swing. Catching in a down swing is no ones fault just the way things fall. Whereas Tennessee is in a permanent down swing. Playing them permanently is your fault

Its a significant advantage. Does it change much of what has happened over the past decade in terms of the west representative? Probably not but there’s no way to prove.

If you want a tougher schedule though there’s FAR simpler solutions than adding sec games
Florida? frick 'em, Bama has kicked that arse damn near as many times as they've kicked LSU's in the last decade.
Posted by MillerLiteTime
Atlanta
Member since Aug 2018
2490 posts
Posted on 9/11/19 at 10:42 am to
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This has to be a frustrating year for the season ticket holder. You want the students/fans to stay until the end of the game? You might want to schedule some decent opponents at home.



It has been frustrating the last decade. We get 3 rent a wins every year and then the big non conference game we could have had is done so at boring destinations like Atlanta or Dallas. Sprinkle in your meh games like Ole Miss, Arkansas, Vandy, Miss St, Kentucky, etc and all you are left with is one or two home games a year worth attending.

I get sick and tired of Saban whining about fans not staying for rent a wins. He should be happy anyone would buy tickets at all for such a joke of a game. And I don't buy for a second that we can't find any decent teams willing to play us. Saban whines about how he is the only coach proposing all Power 5 games, and yet he lets teams like Georgia and Florida lead by example in scheduling 2 P5 non conference games a year. He canceled the home and home with Michigan St because he sees the risk of a true road game as unnecessary. Thank goodness we started scheduling future home and homes again, but there are still two more shitty trips to Dallas and ATL before they finally happen. The fans forced that to finally change, not Saban.

I'd rather play a competitive schedule and potentially not go to the playoffs some years than play the shite schedule we play and coast to the playoffs without much drama. To be such a dynasty we have been more timid than any past dynasty I can think of when it comes to our nonconference schedule. One true road game (Penn State) during the entire 2008-present dynasty. That's pathetic.

Throughout Alabama's dynasty we became the most corporate program in the nation. Every decision made was calculated purely in regards to the analytics of how to find the easiest path to the playoffs. The fans/customers became merely a sideshow. If we complained about the schedule Saban just yelled that we weren't grateful.

It has been a good run but I fear that the lack of focus on continuing to build a true and loyal fan/customer base may doom the program long term after Saban is gone. The next generation of ticket holders will be a spoiled and entitled fan base loyal only to winning, rather than a deep rooted passion for the program and university. You won't see packed stadiums like the dozens of games I attended under Mike Shula despite the hard times.
This post was edited on 9/11/19 at 10:50 am
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
102699 posts
Posted on 9/11/19 at 10:43 am to
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The next generation of ticket holders will be a spoiled and entitled fan base loyal only to winning, rather than a deep rooted passion for the program and university. You won't see packed stadiums like the dozens of games I attended under Mike Shula despite the hard times.


Agreed
Posted by Adam Banks
District 5
Member since Sep 2009
31796 posts
Posted on 9/11/19 at 10:51 am to
Complains about lack of difficulty with schedule.

Continues to want to play Tennessee.




Since 2008 Tennessee has the same amount of bowl wins as vandy. Since 2017 Tennessee has 3 wins vs power 5 schools.

But yes continue to complain about schedules
Posted by CapstoneGrad06
Little Rock
Member since Nov 2008
72141 posts
Posted on 9/11/19 at 10:53 am to
So you drop a traditional matchup because one program goes in the tank? Should Florida have done that to LSU in the 1990s?
Posted by Adam Banks
District 5
Member since Sep 2009
31796 posts
Posted on 9/11/19 at 10:55 am to
It should have been dropped long ago but certainly after the sec expanded. No reason it should be twelve years before returning a visit to a conference opponent.
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
44071 posts
Posted on 9/11/19 at 10:55 am to
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Alabama set the mark for the league in older days by playing the powerful Southern California Trojans and Tom Osborne's Nebraska Cornhuskers and Notre Dame home and home.

What the...?

Just, NO.

I'll give you USC (Alabama, 70-71, LSU 79-84), but LSU had home-and-away series with Nebraska (LSU 75-76, Bama 77-78) and Notre Dame (LSU 70-71, Bama 76-80) before Alabama did.

Why are Alabama fans so consistently ignorant of conference history?
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
30961 posts
Posted on 9/11/19 at 10:56 am to
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It will get better once we start some of our H&H we have scheduled




Honestly without the OC home and home it's a crap shoot for most teams. For example if LSU gets one of the little guys out of the east as the rotating team on even years....well the home schedule sucks arse without a big out of conference game.

I think saban is right, if we are going to stay at 12 games with 2 bye weeks, need to move to 10 conference games. All five conferences need to do it in one foul swoop. Then one out of conference P5 school and then a free game against whoever.

Or you go back to 11 games and expand the playoff.

I feel for bama fans though because not too long ago LSU was in the same position on even years where only bama was worth a frick. And early games suck this time of the year because it's so hot.
Posted by MillerLiteTime
Atlanta
Member since Aug 2018
2490 posts
Posted on 9/11/19 at 11:00 am to
quote:

Complains about lack of difficulty with schedule.

Continues to want to play Tennessee.




Since 2008 Tennessee has the same amount of bowl wins as vandy. Since 2017 Tennessee has 3 wins vs power 5 schools.

But yes continue to complain about schedules



I'm fine with ending the permanent crossover games. But not because of schedule parity. Tennessee will be back. They kicked our asses for a decade prior to 2007. I think we should end the permanent games purely to provide fans with some variety. It's absolutely necessary to end it if you are going to expand to 14 teams and yet keep only 8 conference games.

Posted by skrayper
21-0 Asterisk Drive
Member since Nov 2012
30851 posts
Posted on 9/11/19 at 11:01 am to
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New Mexico State
Southern Miss
Ole Miss
Tennessee
Arkansas
LSU

Western Carolina


Those four are beyond the school's control.

Agree that the OOC games are lackluster. I'm not sure how many good teams would come to Tuscaloosa in late November, but I'd like to see some P5 or at least really good G5 teams on there.
Posted by Adam Banks
District 5
Member since Sep 2009
31796 posts
Posted on 9/11/19 at 11:04 am to
quote:

Tennessee will be back.


No they won’t. They have no recruiting base and the last time they were nationally relevant before the current players were born. They can’t recover from that.

quote:

It's absolutely necessary to end it if you are going to expand to 14 teams and yet keep only 8 conference games.



Yep. We should not go 12 years in between going to Athens
Posted by BamaGradinTn
Murfreesboro
Member since Dec 2008
26956 posts
Posted on 9/11/19 at 11:05 am to
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This is Auburn's student section during the Tennessee game last year


Just curious...was this photo taken before or after Tennessee started kicking their asses?
Posted by BamaGradinTn
Murfreesboro
Member since Dec 2008
26956 posts
Posted on 9/11/19 at 11:08 am to
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It should have been dropped long ago but certainly after the sec expanded. No reason it should be twelve years before returning a visit to a conference opponent.


No, we should have gone to 9 conference games with expansion. Then it would still been a home and away every 5 years. That's enough.
This post was edited on 9/11/19 at 11:09 am
Posted by skrayper
21-0 Asterisk Drive
Member since Nov 2012
30851 posts
Posted on 9/11/19 at 11:08 am to
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I'm fine with ending the permanent crossover games. But not because of schedule parity. Tennessee will be back. They kicked our asses for a decade prior to 2007. I think we should end the permanent games purely to provide fans with some variety. It's absolutely necessary to end it if you are going to expand to 14 teams and yet keep only 8 conference games.


End the permanent cross-division games and expand to 9 conference games.
Play 2 OOC P5 teams
1 G5 team
No FCS teams

I know some FCS teams rely heavily on these games to provide for their athletic depts, but at some point that has got to stop.
Posted by TideFaninFl
On the space coast
Member since Oct 2017
6620 posts
Posted on 9/11/19 at 11:16 am to
quote:

Alabama set the mark for the league in older days by playing the powerful Southern California Trojans and Tom Osborne's Nebraska Cornhuskers and Notre Dame home and home.

What the...?

Just, NO.

I'll give you USC (Alabama, 70-71, LSU 79-84), but LSU had home-and-away series with Nebraska (LSU 75-76, Bama 77-78) and Notre Dame (LSU 70-71, Bama 76-80) before Alabama did.

Why are Alabama fans so consistently ignorant of conference history?



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Alabama played USCw at USCw in 1938

Alabama has played Nebraska, USCw, Missouri and Washington in the same season (none in the bowl)

Bama fans are very aware of conference history...



Posted by The Spleen
Member since Dec 2010
38865 posts
Posted on 9/11/19 at 11:23 am to
I'm not real sure how this trend of scheduling complaints started, but that schedule really isn't that much different than they've been for a couple of decades now. Every SEC team has always scheduled Nowehere Divisional State for easy wins, while the league schedule was set by the conference. And despite what we may want to believe, the SEC is trending down. 10 years ago, that would be a decent home schedule with Ole Miss, Tennessee, and Arkansas being able to pull off an upset. Is it Alabama's fault they all suck this season? I mean, I guess partially it is because of our recent run of dominance.

Next year we get A&M, UGA, and Auburn all at home so that'll be a great year to be a season ticket holder.
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