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re: Alabama's Home Schedule
Posted on 9/11/19 at 11:27 am to TideFaninFl
Posted on 9/11/19 at 11:27 am to TideFaninFl
End permanent cross division opponents and go to 9 SEC games. Only Auburn and LSU have legit SECE perm opponents.
9 SEC games
2 Power 5 teams
1 rent a win
9 SEC games
2 Power 5 teams
1 rent a win
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Posted on 9/11/19 at 11:35 am to Aubie Spr96
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New Mexico State
Southern Miss
Ole Miss
Tennessee
Arkansas
LSU
Western Carolina
Good lord. Not much they can do about their shitty conference mates but that schedule is arse.
Whatever the reasons (neutral site games/tFear), it's crazy that Alabama will go 13 years between hosting a non-conference power 5. Last one was Penn State in 2010 and they won't play another until hosting Texas in 2023.
Posted on 9/11/19 at 11:41 am to WildTchoupitoulas
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I'll give you USC (Alabama, 70-71, LSU 79-84), but LSU had home-and-away series with Nebraska (LSU 75-76, Bama 77-78) and Notre Dame (LSU 70-71, Bama 76-80) before Alabama did.
We've got people in here arguing about schedules FIFTY years ago... Maybe I don't like football as much as I thought.
Posted on 9/11/19 at 11:43 am to Adam Banks
Tennessee? Not on your life. The two of them made SEC football and by extension college football. The Vols will be back because they have the money, the fans, the tradition, the hardware, the stadium and the recruiting base. I refer you to the Urban Meyer piece yesterday. Even at the very bottom they come to your place and take a giant dump.
Posted on 9/11/19 at 11:53 am to Lsuhoohoo
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Whatever the reasons (neutral site games/tFear), it's crazy that Alabama will go 13 years between hosting a non-conference power 5. Last one was Penn State in 2010 and they won't play another until hosting Texas in 2023.
But nick said “we’ve been trying really hard to schedule good teams.”
Posted on 9/11/19 at 12:01 pm to Rohan Gravy
Don’t be obtuse.
Posted on 9/11/19 at 12:05 pm to Rohan Gravy
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But nick said “we’ve been trying really hard to schedule good teams.”
And they mostly have since he got here, albeit at neutral sites. Some of those games haven't lived up to the hype because the opponent wasn't as good as many had hoped. But since he's gotten here, we've played Clemson, Florida State(scheduled before he arrived), Virginia Tech, Michigan, USC, Wisconsin and Lousville. Home and Home series are usually scheduled many years in advance, and we've added Texas and Wisconsin for those in the coming years.
Of course they're likely never going to go away from the glorified scrimmage game. No school is. But to argue Saban hasn't tried to bolster Alabama's schedule is ignoring a lot of the evidence out there.
Posted on 9/11/19 at 12:08 pm to Ssubba
How about the likes of adding Texas, Michigan, and Ohio State....
Posted on 9/11/19 at 12:08 pm to Adam Banks
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Complains about lack of difficulty with schedule.
It's not a complaint, it's just a fact. We crush people at home. It's a unique issue to keep people in the seats in the 2nd half when that happens.
Implying that somehow playing Florida instead of Tennessee would be any different is the joke.
Posted on 9/11/19 at 12:15 pm to RT1941
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I don't know that last year was much better?
Bama beat every opponent by something like 2-3 TDs.
Bama beat EVERY 2018 regular season opponent by more than 3 TDs. Didn't matter where the game was played.
Posted on 9/11/19 at 12:16 pm to TideFaninFl
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Alabama played USCw at USCw in 1938
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Alabama set the mark for the league in older days by playing the powerful Southern California Trojans ...home and home.
A one-off is NOT a "home and home", in case you were a gumptard.
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Alabama has played Nebraska, USCw, Missouri and Washington in the same season (none in the bowl)
LSU has played A&M, tOSU and Miami in the same season, non-bowl.
LSU has played Colorado, A&M, Wisconsin and Notre Dame in the same season - non bowl.
LSU has played A&M, So. Carolina and Nebraska in the same season - non bowl.
LSU has played Colorado, USCw and FSU in the same season - non bowl.
LSU has played Arizona, USCw and Notre Dame in the same season - non bowl.
These were all 11-game regular seasons when LSU maintained a home-and-away series with rival Tulane, limiting their OOC scheduling.
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Bama fans are very aware of conference history...
Apparently not if you think Alabama has had strong OOC schedules historically.
Posted on 9/11/19 at 12:20 pm to The Spleen
I don't believe at all that Alabama has ever attempted to play more than one P5 nonconference game a year. And if we have, and Saban is being honest that we can't find a second P5 team willing to play us, it is because for the last decade we have refused to play home and home games. Any team in the nation would line up for a chance to host Alabama in their home stadium. But not many are willing to agree to a likely arse kicking in a neutral site like Dallas that most teams fans have zero interest in attending. We can't even follow through with the home and home games we do occasionally schedule (see the Michigan St cancellation because they refused to switch it to a neutral site).
Posted on 9/11/19 at 12:21 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
Yea - almost everyone used to play 2-3 "big" OOC games a year. That wasn't special to Alabama.
And quite frankly a lot of the "big" games weren't really that big as those schools stunk then. FSU, Miami, Virginia Tech are prime examples of schools that a lot of SEC teams played back then that were paycheck games.
Looking forward to home and homes again, hope we kind find some solid 2nd tier teams to play for that #2 P5 OOC game. It's going to be hard but I'm sure we can find somebody.
And quite frankly a lot of the "big" games weren't really that big as those schools stunk then. FSU, Miami, Virginia Tech are prime examples of schools that a lot of SEC teams played back then that were paycheck games.
Looking forward to home and homes again, hope we kind find some solid 2nd tier teams to play for that #2 P5 OOC game. It's going to be hard but I'm sure we can find somebody.
Posted on 9/11/19 at 12:24 pm to MillerLiteTime
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I don't believe at all that Alabama has ever attempted to play more than one P5 nonconference game a year
We've played 2 OOC P5 opponents in one season since Saban's been here.
Posted on 9/11/19 at 12:25 pm to MillerLiteTime
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I don't believe at all that Alabama has ever attempted to play more than one P5 nonconference game a year. And if we have, and Saban is being honest that we can't find a second P5 team willing to play us, it is because for the last decade we have refused to play home and home games. Any team in the nation would line up for a chance to host Alabama in their home stadium. But not many are willing to agree to a likely arse kicking in a neutral site like Dallas that most teams fans have zero interest in attending. We can't even follow through with the home and home games we do occasionally schedule (see the Michigan St cancellation because they refused to switch it to a neutral site).
I think he's talking about recently, and I think he's probably right. Middling P5 programs have no incentive to play us, even in a home and home. It sounds braggy but if you are a 7-5/8-4 type program you are basically guaranteed a home loss and probably guaranteed an absolute whiplash of a home loss.
Unlike scheduling 97% of programs, even Top 10/15 ones, you are not only going to lose but you are going to get hammered. So, while you get the home gate and probably a nice ESPN primetime game, you are also going to get beat to a pulp in front of the nation and possible derail your season early on. Purdue/Oregon State/Baylor/Maryland/Boston College/etc would much rather bring in a Texas, Michigan, Notre Dame, Penn State, Florida, Florida State, USC, Washington, etc where they get the big name, eyeballs and media attention but also know that they can compete in the game if things fall right.
That's a hard arse sell for us. It just is. The alternative is to schedule 2 big time OOC teams a year, and with the playoff at 4 teams I'm not sure we are quite ready to move forward with that. I think if the playoff expanded then you would see a lot more schedules like that (see Georgia in the late 2020s already anticipating it).
This post was edited on 9/11/19 at 12:29 pm
Posted on 9/11/19 at 12:38 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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And quite frankly a lot of the "big" games weren't really that big as those schools stunk then. FSU, Miami, ...
LSU never played FSU in the regular season until Bowden arrived. As a matter of fact, he scheduled 6 games in a row at Tiger Stadium with out return trips to Tallahassee required. Bowden thought it would be good promotion of his team if he could win in Tiger Stadium, and boy did he.
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In 1979, prior to Florida State's 24-19 victory, there had been much speculation about who would replace Charlie McClendon as the Tigers' coach.
"Paul Dietzel offered me the job," Bowden said. "I was really in limbo as to what I wanted to do."
"There will always be a certain mystique about this place," Bowden said as he looked around the stadium before the game. "I remember that 1979 game. It was so loud you couldn't hear yourself think in here.
"Most schools with great football tradition have something distinctive about their history, something that makes their personality.
"At LSU, that distinctive something will always be a Saturday night game before a packed crowd at Tiger Stadium."
LINK
The year LSU played A&M, tOSU and Miami was 1988. tOSU was the worst of that bunch that year - but still beat SEC champions, LSU.
Posted on 9/11/19 at 12:40 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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LSU never played FSU in the regular season until Bowden arrived. As a matter of fact, he scheduled 6 games in a row at Tiger Stadium with out return trips to Tallahassee required. Bowden thought it would be good promotion of his team if he could win in Tiger Stadium, and boy did he.
Yea I wasn't specifically referencing LSU - more the conference as a whole (Alabama played FSU 1 or 2 times pre-Peterson/Bowden, Auburn too I think).
The 1980s were kind of the golden era of SEC non-conference scheduling. Almost everybody outside the Mississippi schools played 2-3 really good programs almost every year. LSU had that one year, Alabama had a year when they played Ohio State, Penn State and Notre Dame, Auburn had a year where they played Texas, FSU and Maryland (Boomer Esiason Maryland).
This post was edited on 9/11/19 at 12:42 pm
Posted on 9/11/19 at 12:40 pm to Aubie Spr96
Bama's schedule is too weak, but Bama should schedule Troy. According to Auburn fans on the first page right now
Posted on 9/11/19 at 12:47 pm to genro
That is a horrible non conference home schedule. At some point, fans are going to resist buying season tickets if teams continue to load up on rent a games.
Why wouldn't an Alabama fan simply give up his season tickets, and overpay, through Stub Hub, for the LSU game or one or two SEC games?
Why wouldn't an Alabama fan simply give up his season tickets, and overpay, through Stub Hub, for the LSU game or one or two SEC games?
Posted on 9/11/19 at 12:49 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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Apparently not if you think Alabama has had strong OOC schedules historically.
How far back do you want to go? Since you said 11 game seasons we're in the pre-2005 era so from the post-Bryant era to then in the same regular season Bama has played:
Penn State, Georgia Tech, and Boston College (same 3 in 2 seasons)
aTm and Penn State
tOSU, Notre Dame, Penn State
Penn State, Notre Dame
Penn State, aTm
They also had seasons where they had home and home with Oklahoma or home and home with UCLA and also played a ranked and/or bowl bound G5 teams (UCF, Houston, Northern Illinois, and Hawaii).
Like George said, it wasn't just LSU. Back in the day almost everyone played better OOC schedules then somewhere along the way the powers that be decided the easier path to good bowls, rankings, and money was to limit risk.
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