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re: Alabama Senator Tommy Tuberville to introduce bill that will regulate NIL
Posted on 8/4/22 at 9:01 am to allin2010
Posted on 8/4/22 at 9:01 am to allin2010
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It is out of control, but not sure what rules you can put into place.
The NFL has salary caps, but no cap on outside income based on NIL. Not sure how your legislate that.
They have salary caps because they negotiated that with a union.
Maybe that's where this is headed. Federal government takes stupid action, players unionize and strike. Then collectively bargaining.
Posted on 8/4/22 at 9:18 am to NaturalStateReb
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NaturalStateReb
Without NIL regulation your team will forevermore be a footnote, till it fails entirely.
Thankfully your team's coach and its administrators, along with most of the coaches and administrators nationwide, are smarter than you about the situation.
Posted on 8/4/22 at 9:34 am to BLG
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Without NIL regulation your team will forevermore be a footnote, till it fails entirely.
Thankfully your team's coach and its administrators, along with most of the coaches and administrators nationwide, are smarter than you about the situation.
Cool story, bro. I'm sure that's why Saban's been talking to his buddy Joe Manchin.
Do we have the most to spend? No. But Alabama can only have so many players. What Ole Miss needs more than anything else is playoff expansion.
I understand that when you're on top, you don't want anything to change. I really do understand how scary that can feel.
Alabama isn't worried about Ole Miss. They're worried about places like USC, Texas, Texas A&M, Ohio State, Michigan. At the end of the day, Alabama is always going to be a modest sized university that splits a relatively poor state, and Saban won't live forever. Compared to richer, bigger states and universities, the potential exists to get passed up in a way that can't really be altered.
This post was edited on 8/4/22 at 9:40 am
Posted on 8/4/22 at 9:43 am to RollTide1987
They can only do so much that won't get smacked down by the SCOTUS. It is all band-aids that the better funded programs will figure ways around.
I think it inevitably (next 7-8 years) goes pro model. Conferences take over CFB & CBBfrom NCAA , players unionize and have a CBA, and a salary cap set up.
I think it inevitably (next 7-8 years) goes pro model. Conferences take over CFB & CBBfrom NCAA , players unionize and have a CBA, and a salary cap set up.
Posted on 8/4/22 at 11:17 am to NaturalStateReb
You misunderstand. I never said Alabama would thrive. In fact, I said most coaches nationwide support regulation. That includes Saban, Kiffin, Kirby Smart, and most of the others.
Do you think college football will survive if Texas, USC, Michigan, and Ohio State can buy the elite players year after yea? Or do you suppose fan interest will wane when it's the same 4 teams year after year? And we're not talking about Alabama and Clemson year after year. That's due to Nick Saban and a good run for Clemson. We're talking about year after year till the lack of competition kills it all.
Do you think college football will survive if Texas, USC, Michigan, and Ohio State can buy the elite players year after yea? Or do you suppose fan interest will wane when it's the same 4 teams year after year? And we're not talking about Alabama and Clemson year after year. That's due to Nick Saban and a good run for Clemson. We're talking about year after year till the lack of competition kills it all.
Posted on 8/4/22 at 11:33 am to Old Hellen Yeller
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I dislike what NIL is doing to CFB as much as anyone else but what grounds does the government have to get involved with this? These players are presumably tax-paying adults making contractual agreements with other adults.
It's the Govt that got this started in the first place
Posted on 8/4/22 at 11:38 am to BLG
It’s already the same 4 teams and there’s always been a market for players.
This gets solved by playoff expansion and roster limitations. It doesn’t get solved by anti-capitalist tactics.
This gets solved by playoff expansion and roster limitations. It doesn’t get solved by anti-capitalist tactics.
Posted on 8/4/22 at 12:12 pm to NaturalStateReb
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They have salary caps because they negotiated that with a union. Maybe that's where this is headed. Federal government takes stupid action, players unionize and strike. Then collectively bargaining.
I think you missed the point. the CBA covers players salaries. In this instance, the players only salary is their scholarship plus a minimal stipend.
Player agreements for endorsements (e.g. NIL) are not capped in any way shape or form. Lebron James isn't worth a billion dollars because he got a great salary, he's there because he has massive NIL deals.
There's zero chance of this law holding up to judicial scrutiny, it's just a political play to get votes (See guys I tried!)
This post was edited on 8/4/22 at 12:13 pm
Posted on 8/4/22 at 12:19 pm to gumpinmizzou
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Given Tubbs' competence level, I'm surprised he even knows how bills come to be introduced
Still salty about 6 in a row I see
Posted on 8/4/22 at 12:22 pm to Old Hellen Yeller
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I dislike what NIL is doing to CFB as much as anyone else but what grounds does the government have to get involved with this? These players are presumably tax-paying adults making contractual agreements with other adults.
I don't see how the Feds can regulate NIL. College football needs to come up with a governing body to regulate NIL if the NCAA is not willing to make rules and enforce them...
They can't stop athletes from making money, just saying they need something to regulate how schools can entice players with the use of NIL. I don't think any talk of money or NIL deals should be involved with recruiting. That stuff should only come after a player has signed a letter of intent with a school..
This post was edited on 8/4/22 at 12:24 pm
Posted on 8/4/22 at 12:58 pm to Ttazhorn
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They can't stop athletes from making money, just saying they need something to regulate how schools can entice players with the use of NIL. I don't think any talk of money or NIL deals should be involved with recruiting. That stuff should only come after a player has signed a letter of intent with a school..
I honestly don't see how that's even legally enforceable. I know people "want" it because they still live in the fantasy world where players aren't getting paid for their work and are student athletes earning their degree and playing football part time (lulz), but it's simply not how jobs and contracts in the real world work. If I want to entice Lebron James to come to Cleveland, are you going to cry foul if you're the Miami Heat? Why do people think it should be different for a young adult?
Posted on 8/4/22 at 1:19 pm to Texaggie96
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They can't stop athletes from making money, just saying they need something to regulate how schools can entice players with the use of NIL. I don't think any talk of money or NIL deals should be involved with recruiting. That stuff should only come after a player has signed a letter of intent with a school..
I honestly don't see how that's even legally enforceable. I know people "want" it because they still live in the fantasy world where players aren't getting paid for their work and are student athletes earning their degree and playing football part time (lulz), but it's simply not how jobs and contracts in the real world work. If I want to entice Lebron James to come to Cleveland, are you going to cry foul if you're the Miami Heat? Why do people think it should be different for a young adult?
These athletes aren't an employee of the school, and are not getting paid by the school for their services. If they get NIL money, it comes from the Boosters, not the school. So, if they want to play for the schools team, coaches, and get an education at the school, then NIL and money talk should be left out when they are just being recruited...Boosters should not even come into play until they are signed..
If high school kids want to get an ideal of what kind of NIL money they can expect, then they can talk to the athletes already signed with the school...
This post was edited on 8/4/22 at 1:27 pm
Posted on 8/4/22 at 1:29 pm to Ttazhorn
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These athletes aren't an employee of the school, and are not getting paid by the school for their services. If they get NIL money, it comes from the Boosters, not the school. So, if they want to play for the schools team, coaches, and get an education at the school, then NIL and money talk should be left out when they are just being recruited...Boosters should not even come into play until they are signed..
I get it bro, worlds changing, but trying to write unenforceable laws is just pointless. The schools know it, the NCAA knows it, you seem to be one of the only ones who hasn't caught on yet.
Just because you "want it" doesn't mean it's going to happen, or more important that it's legally enforceable.
Posted on 8/4/22 at 1:33 pm to Texaggie96
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trying to write unenforceable laws is just pointless.
You ever heard of collective bargaining agreements?
Posted on 8/4/22 at 1:47 pm to C W
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You ever heard of collective bargaining agreements?
Sure, are you going to get every potential advertiser, hired spokeman all together and hash out an agreement? That's probably about 10 million+ people. Good luck with that shite chief.
Posted on 8/4/22 at 2:00 pm to Texaggie96
They will do like every other business sector does. There will a collective bargaining agreement between the employers, which are the college, and the employees, which are the players. Boosters paying players to entice high school players to play for their team will get the school busted and probably the player ineligible. Players can , though, market their name and image with legitimate businesses, as intended
This post was edited on 8/4/22 at 2:02 pm
Posted on 8/4/22 at 2:59 pm to RollTide1987
Just put a salary cap down and be done with it. 25m a class
Posted on 8/4/22 at 3:22 pm to Farmer1906
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Scared of A&M it seems.
A&M might be scared of his bill is more like it. Oh well, ya'll had 1 year of a little fame
Posted on 8/4/22 at 3:27 pm to C W
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They will do like every other business sector does. There will a collective bargaining agreement between the employers, which are the college, and the employees, which are the players. Boosters paying players to entice high school players to play for their team will get the school busted and probably the player ineligible. Players can , though, market their name and image with legitimate businesses, as intended
What business has a CBA regarding NIL?
I'll wait.
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