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Posted on 4/4/13 at 1:02 pm to USMC Gators
Posted on 4/4/13 at 1:02 pm to USMC Gators
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Winning percentage? Schedule strength? BCS titles and bowl wins?
In another thread yesterday, there was debate over the CFDW rankings because of how points are awarded for national titles and "big 4" bowl wins.
What say you?
The best method i've been shown so far is just to use whatever makes your team look better.
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Posted on 4/4/13 at 1:14 pm to oklahogjr
Just amazing. I put both of our conference rivals (3 if you include LSU) ahead of us, and people still bitch. 
Posted on 4/4/13 at 1:24 pm to USMC Gators
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Just amazing. I put both of our conference rivals (3 if you include LSU) ahead of us, and people still bitch.
Just another day on the rant. All people ever do on here is bitch.
Posted on 4/4/13 at 1:27 pm to oklahogjr
I shouldn't have quoted you specifically, I just meant the overall thread.
Posted on 4/4/13 at 1:29 pm to USMC Gators
IMHO:
1. Number of all-time NCAA victories
2. Number of bowl games
3. Number of bowl victories
4. Number of Consensus National Championships
5. Number of seasons ranked - Final Top 25
6. Number of seasons ranked - Final Top 10, Top 5
7. Strength of schedule
8. Number of winning seasons and number of all-
time conference championships.
9. Graduation rates and # of Academic All-Amer.
10. Number of All-Americans and All-Conference
11. Tradition, lore, history, tailgating, fight songs, band, pre-game pageantry, LIVE mascot
12. Stadium - size, noise, reputation, fans
13. Attendance figures nationally and in conf.
14. Recruiting efforts, rankings, appeal
15. National brand name and recognizance, mascot
16. Number of players sent to pros
17. Number of players sent to pros who become All-Pros and NFL Hall of Famers
18. Number of ALL national championships - by all media, organizations, associations, indeces, pollsters, publications, etc.
19. Uniform and helmet recognizance
20. Popularity of school and mascots, traditions
21. Financial stability of athletic program - able to give back to academics and the university
as a whole.
1. Number of all-time NCAA victories
2. Number of bowl games
3. Number of bowl victories
4. Number of Consensus National Championships
5. Number of seasons ranked - Final Top 25
6. Number of seasons ranked - Final Top 10, Top 5
7. Strength of schedule
8. Number of winning seasons and number of all-
time conference championships.
9. Graduation rates and # of Academic All-Amer.
10. Number of All-Americans and All-Conference
11. Tradition, lore, history, tailgating, fight songs, band, pre-game pageantry, LIVE mascot
12. Stadium - size, noise, reputation, fans
13. Attendance figures nationally and in conf.
14. Recruiting efforts, rankings, appeal
15. National brand name and recognizance, mascot
16. Number of players sent to pros
17. Number of players sent to pros who become All-Pros and NFL Hall of Famers
18. Number of ALL national championships - by all media, organizations, associations, indeces, pollsters, publications, etc.
19. Uniform and helmet recognizance
20. Popularity of school and mascots, traditions
21. Financial stability of athletic program - able to give back to academics and the university
as a whole.
This post was edited on 4/4/13 at 1:38 pm
Posted on 4/4/13 at 1:34 pm to WestCoastAg
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as long as they are within 2 or 3 spots of another. historically we are basically equal programs
I agree
Posted on 4/4/13 at 1:38 pm to USMC Gators
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What's a good way to rank cfb programs historically?
1. All time wins
2. SOS
3. # of weeks ranked in the AP poll with # of weeks ranked in the AP top 10 holding more weight.
Posted on 4/4/13 at 2:03 pm to OBReb6
quote:frick. Well, bowl winning percentage is dumb anyway.
Still sounds very nice. The compass bowl was our 34th appearance.
Posted on 4/4/13 at 2:04 pm to WDE24
Especially when your program is .500. 
Posted on 4/4/13 at 2:11 pm to WestCoastAg
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and the other programs has more wins, a greater winning percentage, a better bowl winning percentage, more conference championships, etc
We're equal. You have what was mentioned, we have more Top 20 finishes, Top 10 finishes, I'm pretty sure All-Americans, etc.. I'd put a little more weight on what you mentioned but then the head to head record basically evens it out.
Bench McElroy made this thread a few months ago laying out all of these factors and it was actually pretty good. Aggies will say Aggies and Hogs will say Hogs. So back to:
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Subjective opinions.
This post was edited on 4/4/13 at 2:13 pm
Posted on 4/4/13 at 2:26 pm to WestCoastAg
Most of which are a product of the conference you are in. We were in the same conference for 76 years, in that time aTm was 489-422-37 for a 51.6% win percentage, Arkansas was 518-350-31 for a 57.6% win percentage. Head to head, Arkansas held a 38-24-3 lead, winning 58.4% of the games vs. 36.9%. Arkansas won 29 more games from 1915-1991, despite playing 49 fewer games total.
So yeah, pretty equal but Arkansas was better.
So yeah, pretty equal but Arkansas was better.
This post was edited on 4/4/13 at 2:29 pm
Posted on 4/4/13 at 2:36 pm to troyt37
As long as a&m is within 2 or 3 spots I don't care
Posted on 4/4/13 at 2:44 pm to MetryTyger
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MetryTyger
What's a good way to rank cfb programs historically?
IMHO:
1. Number of all-time NCAA victories
2. Number of bowl games
3. Number of bowl victories
4. Number of Consensus National Championships
5. Number of seasons ranked - Final Top 25
6. Number of seasons ranked - Final Top 10, Top 5
7. Strength of schedule
8. Number of winning seasons and number of all-
time conference championships.
9. Graduation rates and # of Academic All-Amer.
10. Number of All-Americans and All-Conference
11. Tradition, lore, history, tailgating, fight songs, band, pre-game pageantry, LIVE mascot
12. Stadium - size, noise, reputation, fans
13. Attendance figures nationally and in conf.
14. Recruiting efforts, rankings, appeal
15. National brand name and recognizance, mascot
16. Number of players sent to pros
17. Number of players sent to pros who become All-Pros and NFL Hall of Famers
18. Number of ALL national championships - by all media, organizations, associations, indeces, pollsters, publications, etc.
19. Uniform and helmet recognizance
20. Popularity of school and mascots, traditions
21. Financial stability of athletic program - able to give back to academics and the university
as a whole.
Based on my own above criteria
I'd rate the top 15 all-time:
Michigan
Notre Dame
Oklahoma
Ohio State
Bama
Texas
Usc
Nebraska
Tennessee
LSU
Georgia
Penn State
Auburn
Georgia Tech
Miami(F)
And then in (sort of) order:
Syracuse
Minnesota
Florida
Wisconsin
Texas A&M
UCLA
Army
Washington
Florida State
Arkansas
Ole Miss
Colorado
Arizona State
Iowa
Cal
Michigan State
TCU
West Virginia
Oregon
Va.Tech
Mizzou
Clemson
Kansas State
Illinois
Pittsburgh
Rutgers
Oklahoma State
North Carolina
Louisville
Miami(O)
Maryland
Purdue
Houston
Air Force
Arizona
Wyoming
Texas Tech
Kansas
Oregon State
Rice
Baylor
Navy
Utah
Northwestern
Tulane
BYU
Hawaii
Iowa State
La.Tech
Boston College
Vanderbilt
Virginia
Kentucky
Indiana
SMU
Boise
N.C. State
South Carolina
Cincinnati
Miss.State
Princeton
Washington State
Harvard
Yale
So. Miss
Wake Forest
Tulsa
Utah State
Duke
San Diego State
Memphis
Central Florida
Grambling
Washington State
Colorado State
South Florida
Ohio U.
UL-Lafayette
Toledo
North Texas
Western Michigan
UL Monroe
New Mexico
Middle Tennessee
Southern U.
Jackson State
Northwestern State
Mississippi Valley
Alcorn A&M
Arkansas St.
Texas State
New Mexico State
Prairie View
Texas Southern
Nicholls State
Slippery Rock
Drexel
Cal Santa Cruz
I did put Arkansas too low - corrected above...
This post was edited on 4/4/13 at 2:57 pm
Posted on 4/4/13 at 2:48 pm to WestCoastAg
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As long as a&m is within 2 or 3 spots I don't care
As long as those 2 or 3 spots are below Arkansas, I don't either.
Posted on 4/4/13 at 2:56 pm to heartbreakTiger
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i prefer just using the 2000s its just better data overall
Yeah for LSU.
Posted on 4/4/13 at 3:06 pm to USMC Gators
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Except they aren't. Even today, some of them still don't have conference title games, for example.
That shouldn't factor into your equation at all as conference championship games are a fairly recent addition to the game - historically speaking.
Posted on 4/4/13 at 3:25 pm to USMC Gators
A composite of all of those, I'd say.
Posted on 4/4/13 at 3:34 pm to USMC Gators
you use everything! mix it and stir it like a big pot of gumbo
IMO, National Titles become more relevant as you approach today...LSU has a 1908 championship I think....meh
I would weight football after 1980 as well...modern football started to take shape.
Also, I would have catagories, not rankings...
Notre Dame, Alabama, and Oklahoma seem to be the winningest programs...
Michigan I think has the MOST wins, but they've got very few National Championships to show for it.
Most programs have hot and cold spells....Nebraska and Tennessee really fell off the wagon after the 90s...
IMO, National Titles become more relevant as you approach today...LSU has a 1908 championship I think....meh
I would weight football after 1980 as well...modern football started to take shape.
Also, I would have catagories, not rankings...
Notre Dame, Alabama, and Oklahoma seem to be the winningest programs...
Michigan I think has the MOST wins, but they've got very few National Championships to show for it.
Most programs have hot and cold spells....Nebraska and Tennessee really fell off the wagon after the 90s...
Posted on 4/4/13 at 3:42 pm to EvilVodka
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Also, I would have catagories, not rankings...
Modern Elite:
Florida, Alabama, LSU, Miami, FSU, Ohio State, Penn State, Oklahoma, USC, Oregon
Historical Elite:
Nebraska, Tennessee, Michigan, Alabama, Ohio State, Penn State, Oklahoma, USC, Texas, Notre Dame
This post was edited on 4/4/13 at 3:43 pm
Posted on 4/4/13 at 4:06 pm to Rory
probably overall wins combined with schedule strength
conference championships and national championships are significant but their value is colored by which conference you played in and the circumstances under which you were awarded the national championship.
conference championships and national championships are significant but their value is colored by which conference you played in and the circumstances under which you were awarded the national championship.
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