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re: Admin (s), please delete. Germans thread.
Posted on 4/4/13 at 12:23 pm to USMC Gators
Posted on 4/4/13 at 12:23 pm to USMC Gators
im sorry, im ok with most of your list, and this is coming from a bruin fan, but how in the frick is USC 10th overall? that makes absolutely 0 sense
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Posted on 4/4/13 at 12:23 pm to Crompdaddy8
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Consensus All-Americans
Out of a program's control.
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Conference titles
Not all conferences are the same.
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National titles
DEFINITELY out of a program's control, even if you just stick to the BCS period.
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Heisman winners
Out of a program's control.
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Postseason bowl record
Out of a program's control, especially back in the day when certain conferences would forbid their members from playing in bowls.
Posted on 4/4/13 at 12:25 pm to USMC Gators
quote:And yet you include winning percentage?
Not all conferences are the same.
Posted on 4/4/13 at 12:26 pm to genro
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And yet you include winning percentage?
You can't control what happens on the field?
Posted on 4/4/13 at 12:26 pm to USMC Gators
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can agree to this, but what about the lengthy period when the AP and UPI would choose their champion (s) before the bowls?
What about it? That's just the way it was at the time and everyone knew it. I don't know that there is any reason to go back and try and tweak the landscape / apply later rules after the fact. That's one of the reason I wouldn't include bowls (even though that would possibly benefit Alabama more than any other team), because bowls haven't always meant the same through different eras of college football.
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Posted on 4/4/13 at 12:26 pm to USMC Gators
quote:when it comes down to the pac 8/10/12, big 10, sec, swc, big 8/12...they are more or less historically equal
Not all conferences are the same.
This post was edited on 4/4/13 at 12:27 pm
Posted on 4/4/13 at 12:27 pm to WestCoastAg
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when it comes down to the pac 8/10/12, big 10, sec, swc, big 8/12...they are more or less historically equal
Except they aren't. Even today, some of them still don't have conference title games, for example.
Posted on 4/4/13 at 12:28 pm to WDE24
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Subjective opinions.
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Posted on 4/4/13 at 12:30 pm to USMC Gators
so the pacs delay in developing a conference championship game is why you have USC as the 10th program of all time when everyone else considers them to be one of the top 3, if not top 5?
This post was edited on 4/4/13 at 12:32 pm
Posted on 4/4/13 at 12:32 pm to WestCoastAg
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so the pacs delay in developing a conference championship game is why you have USC as the 10th program of all time when everyone else considers them to be one of the top 5, if not top 3?
Outside of USC, who else in that conference is a historical program? John Wooden doesn't count.
Posted on 4/4/13 at 12:33 pm to USMC Gators
ucla and washington were both legit programs until 2000 and not to mention cal and stanford have had their runs
Posted on 4/4/13 at 12:34 pm to USMC Gators
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What's a good way to rank cfb programs historically?
By height.
Posted on 4/4/13 at 12:34 pm to USMC Gators
You don't understand that winning percentage mostly comes from conference play?
Posted on 4/4/13 at 12:36 pm to WestCoastAg
Every one of these lists has aTm ahead of Arkansas, yet Arkansas holds a 41-25-3 record vs. the Aggies. Head to head has to come in there somewhere, I would think. 
Posted on 4/4/13 at 12:37 pm to troyt37
a&m also has the advantage on almost every other metric. really i dont care whether arky is ahead of a&m or vice versa as long as they are within 2 or 3 spots of another. historically we are basically equal programs
This post was edited on 4/4/13 at 12:39 pm
Posted on 4/4/13 at 12:51 pm to USMC Gators
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Care to explain at least?
Nope
we have more conference and the same number of claimed national titles (although most would say if you only count legit ones we have more) and we are widely recognized as the second most successful program in the SECPosted on 4/4/13 at 12:54 pm to WestCoastAg
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basically equal programs
Basically equal programs where one team wins 59.4% of the games, the other winning 36.2%.
Posted on 4/4/13 at 12:54 pm to USMC Gators
Lets go ahead and remove 14 wins from auburn if we are tallying up
Posted on 4/4/13 at 12:55 pm to USMC Gators
i prefer just using the 2000s its just better data overall
Posted on 4/4/13 at 12:55 pm to troyt37
and the other programs has more wins, a greater winning percentage, a better bowl winning percentage, more conference championships, etc
so yea, they are
so yea, they are
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