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re: A&M and the reason it’s being held back (serious thread)

Posted on 10/2/26 at 8:18 am to
Posted by TBPland
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Posted on 10/2/26 at 8:18 am to
I've been saying this for years, something happens to the kids that go to school there and return. That was the best summary of what happens I've seen. Before the freshman go to campus they go to a methodist church camp for a week to learn to be an aggie. It's all cringeworthy. All of those little things add up to kill the individual spirit and flows down to the athletics program. The kids just want to play ball and not deal with all the other BS.
Posted by 1BIGTigerFan
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Posted on 10/2/26 at 8:23 am to
Their "Gay" culture is from the 30's and 40's when gay meant happy. Dancing Milk Men and an all male school of marching cadets.

Now their "Gay" culture looks like a bunch of homos dancing around that still hate women.
Posted by The Cow Goes Moo Moo
Bucktown
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Posted on 10/2/26 at 8:37 am to
quote:

Aggies are what happens when the weird, socially awkward kids who ate glue and got stuffed in lockers all go to the same school.



My cousin attended A&M and this statement could not be more accurate
Posted by Wildcat1996
Lexington, KY
Member since Jul 2020
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Posted on 10/2/26 at 8:39 am to
Your deep concern has been noted.
Posted by Dirk Dawgler
Georgia
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Posted on 10/2/26 at 8:43 am to
It is actually a global stigma. I was on a mission trip in Honduras a few years ago and a local kid had on a Texas A&M t-shirt. Probably from some charity box delivered to the village. The other kids were dogging him saying he likes faggie. Felt sorry for him. He didn’t know. But just drove home that the stigma isn’t isolated to America.
Posted by PuertoRicanBlaze
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Posted on 10/2/26 at 8:47 am to
We can make fun of Texas for being a bunch of pajeets but at least Baboo and Mohammed don't tolerate unchecked gayness.
Posted by caliegeaux
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Posted on 10/2/26 at 8:48 am to
quote:

It is actually a global stigma. I was on a mission trip in Honduras a few years ago and a local kid had on a Texas A&M t-shirt. Probably from some charity box delivered to the village. The other kids were dogging him saying he likes faggie. Felt sorry for him. He didn’t know. But just drove home that the stigma isn’t isolated to America.




that shirt probably read: Tx A&M 74/LSU - 72 National CHAMPS!!!
Posted by 1BIGTigerFan
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Posted on 10/2/26 at 8:52 am to
Posted by ob1pimpbobi
College Station
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Posted on 10/2/26 at 8:53 am to
Here is Chapt GPT's reason why aggy is not competitive


Yes. And the interesting part is that Texas A&M’s problem is not a lack of resources or even an inability to build a very good team. The evidence from 2025 actually shows that A&M can become highly competitive. The harder problem is sustaining that level and turning resources into consistent championship-level execution.
A&M went 11–2 in 2025, 7–1 in the SEC, reached the CFP, and climbed as high as No. 3 in the AP poll. That was the program’s first double-digit-win season since 2012.

So I'd frame the question this way:

1. A&M has historically had a conversion problem, not a resource problem
There are very few schools with A&M's combination of:
enormous alumni base
Texas recruiting territory
100,000+ seat stadium
SEC membership
enormous athletic revenue
passionate fan support
facilities
willingness to spend
ability to attract NFL-caliber talent
In FY2024, A&M athletics reported $266.4 million in operating revenue, while football alone generated more than $118 million.
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Statesman
So the question isn't, "Why can't A&M afford to compete?"

It's more like:

Why hasn't A&M consistently converted its advantages into an elite football operation?
That's a much more interesting question.
2. The coaching carousel has prevented institutional continuity
Look at the recent history:
Kevin Sumlin: good offensive production, but ultimately plateaued.
Jimbo Fisher: extraordinary recruiting and a spectacular 2020 season, followed by a collapse.

You can spend enormous amounts of money while simultaneously destroying organizational continuity.
3. The Jimbo era is the clearest example
This is probably the biggest historical reason.
Fisher wasn't hired because A&M lacked ambition. Quite the opposite. A&M gave him enormous resources and eventually assembled one of the most talented rosters in the country.

And it worked—temporarily.

Then:

2021: 8–4
2022: 5–7
2023: 7–6

The lesson isn't simply "Jimbo was a bad coach." That's too simplistic.

It's that having elite recruiting talent doesn't automatically produce an elite football organization.

You need the development, quarterback play, offensive identity, staff cohesion, player retention and week-to-week execution to match the recruiting.

4. A&M is competing in the hardest possible environment
This gets underestimated.
A&M doesn't operate in a vacuum where its resources are unique.

The SEC contains multiple schools with enormous football resources:

Alabama
Georgia
LSU
Texas
Oklahoma
Florida
Tennessee
Auburn
Ole Miss and others
And now A&M has Texas and Oklahoma inside the conference rather than recruiting against them from outside it.
So A&M's resources are enormous—but relative resources matter.

The difference between "we have $X to spend" and "we have more organizational capability than our competitors" is enormous.

5. Texas recruiting is simultaneously A&M's greatest advantage and its biggest competitive battlefield
A&M has access to an extraordinary recruiting base.
But so does Texas.

And so does every major national program recruiting Texas.

A&M has historically had periods where it recruited at an elite level without consistently developing that talent into an elite team.

That's the distinction:

Recruiting rankings measure acquisition.
Championship football requires acquisition + development + retention + scheme + quarterback play + health + culture + game management.

You can win the recruiting battle and still lose the football battle.

6. Quarterback has been a particularly important issue
This is an underrated part of A&M's story.
Johnny Manziel was an extraordinary outlier. Since then, A&M has had talented quarterbacks, but hasn't established the kind of sustained QB-development pipeline that programs such as Alabama, Georgia, Ohio State and others have periodically demonstrated.

And in modern college football, quarterback isn't merely another position.

With the transfer portal and NIL, a program needs a quarterback strategy, not just a quarterback.

You need:

recruit
develop
retain
protect with OL
surround with receivers
have a coherent offensive system
have succession planning
A&M has periodically had pieces of that equation without maintaining the whole system.
7. The 2025 season is actually evidence that the underlying problem is fixable
This is why I wouldn't characterize A&M as incapable of being elite.
Elko's first two seasons provide a fascinating contrast.

The question is whether that becomes the new baseline rather than a one-year spike.

8. And this year's problems illustrate the exact challenge
The 2026 losses are revealing.
After Kentucky, A&M players and Elko described preparation and attention to detail as problems.
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Houston Chronicle

Against LSU, A&M was overwhelmed 35–6, with the offense producing only 6 points.
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Houston Chronicle

That's not a facilities problem.

That's execution, preparation, roster health, coaching, scheme and consistency.

And those are much harder things to purchase.

9. There's also an expectation problem
This may be the most uniquely "Texas A&M" aspect.
A&M has spent years behaving like a program that should be elite.

The expectations are enormous.

But expectations themselves don't create competitive advantage.

There's a subtle organizational danger when a program continually thinks:

"We're Texas A&M. We have everything. Therefore we should be great."
Instead, the successful programs tend to behave more like:
"What are the 20 things Alabama/Georgia/Ohio State/etc. are doing exceptionally well, and how do we systematically become better at each of them?"
That distinction sounds trivial, but it's enormous.
10. The modern NIL/roster era makes the problem even more interesting
A&M was actually one of the programs that embraced the new financial reality early.
Now, however, everybody knows money matters.

And A&M has to distribute resources across the entire athletic department while adapting to revenue sharing. In 2024, A&M announced roughly $10 million in athletic-budget reductions while preparing for the new revenue-sharing environment.
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Statesman

So the competitive question has shifted from:

"Who has the most money?"

to:

"Who allocates money most intelligently?"

That means identifying which players to retain, which positions to prioritize, how much to spend on proven transfers versus high-school recruits, how to structure incentives, and how to build depth.

That's essentially professional sports roster management.

So what's really holding A&M back?
If I had to reduce the whole thing to one sentence:
Texas A&M has historically been better at accumulating resources and talent than at building a stable, continuously improving football organization around those resources.
And there's an important counterpoint:
2025 suggests that Mike Elko may have started solving that problem.

An 11–2 season, 7–1 SEC record and CFP appearance isn't evidence of a program that can't compete.
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Texas A&M Aggies Athletics

The much harder test is whether A&M can turn that into something like:

10–11 wins ? SEC contention ? CFP contention ? repeat ? eventually play for championships

rather than:

8 wins ? coaching change ? rebuild ? 9 wins ? disappointment ? coaching change.

That's the cycle A&M has to break.

And honestly, I'd put much more emphasis on organizational continuity, player development, QB/OL development, and roster management than on spending more money. A&M already has plenty of money. The marginal dollar isn't nearly as important as what the program does with it.
Posted by Gator Fever
Member since Sep 2021
6101 posts
Posted on 10/2/26 at 8:53 am to
Is it mainly bad evaluations? How many of these big time recruits start producing once they leave A&M?
Posted by Hback
Member since Aug 2017
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Posted on 10/2/26 at 8:55 am to
Posted by Biscuit68
Florida
Member since Jul 2021
44 posts
Posted on 10/2/26 at 9:02 am to
Reminds me of the time I went to an Aggie Bonfire rally back in '91 with a buddy of mine who went to A&M. I made the mistake of wearing a hat that had just a little bit of orange on it. Big mistake. People immediately started harassing me, and one guy straight-up screamed at me to take it off thinking it had something to do with the Longhorns. My buddy didn’t even seem phased by it, he just acted like this was completely normal behavior. Not going to lie, the whole experience felt like being at a literal cult rally.
Posted by lefty08
Not in Auburn or Louisiana
Member since Aug 2014
6714 posts
Posted on 10/2/26 at 9:18 am to
Yeah, you think aTm has all the ingredients to become a power, except for leadership, and I’m slow. What leadership put all those pieces in place, Mr Mensa?
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