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re: 270 yards passing is why A&M lost!
Posted on 10/23/12 at 5:32 pm to PortCityTiger82
Posted on 10/23/12 at 5:32 pm to PortCityTiger82
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Dumbest statement ever! We adjust and the ball stopped moving. Thats what the 3-2-6 mustang package does. It gives up some passing yardage but forces mistakes over the length of a drive. Just like WVU last year. You can have the yards. We'll take the turnovers and the win!
FOR THE LOVE OF ORANGUTANG SCROTE SNIFFING!!! You obviously understood my point.
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Posted on 10/23/12 at 5:32 pm to KaiserSoze99
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I'm not making up moral victories. frick that. I am just talking about strategy. We could have won with the strategy we implemented.
I'm not talking moral victories either, glad you can see that. I was second guessing the number of pass plays called. Remember he had scrambles and sacks so actually well above 60 passing plays where called.
If you mean by "Strategy implemented" the plays you had ready for the game I agree. If you mean the number of pass plays and the pace used I don't.
Posted on 10/23/12 at 5:32 pm to KaiserSoze99
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KaiserSoze99
Shut the frick up. This thread is about thick girls now.
Posted on 10/23/12 at 5:35 pm to bamaoldtimer
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bamaoldtimer
You are going of subject here speculating about the future.
The point was to question if calling 56 pass plays in a close games is a solid strategy in the SEC. Can you imagine Bryant or even Saban doing that?
Posted on 10/23/12 at 5:35 pm to r2d2
My point was that we could have done things differently. I don't think we needed to if our kicker didn't choke and our receives would catch the fricking ball instead of letting it go flying in the air to the other team, but we could have changed the game plan. I will agree. Running the ball more would have helped.
This post was edited on 10/23/12 at 5:36 pm
Posted on 10/23/12 at 5:37 pm to r2d2
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I like Sumlin, but it is a legitimate question if this philosophy will work. Evidence so far says no.
You'll blow out bad teams and lose to good teams. It's how that philosophy has panned out so far for pretty much everyone. The reason you see them being so successful is because a lot of teams with this strategy don't ever match up against teams with high level nfl defensive draft picks on a regular basis. Much less see something like the defenses Alabama, LSU, Florida, and USC have put together. All of those defenses have multiple first and second round draft picks on their rosters.
Posted on 10/23/12 at 5:41 pm to cyde
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Shut the frick up. This thread is about thick girls now.
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cyde
Posted on 10/23/12 at 5:42 pm to oklahogjr
It usually follows that ANY offense will struggle against a good defense. Is anybody really disputing that point?
For Sumlin's offense to consistently work and win games against good defenses, it needs a balanced run attack or a pro-style element to it. The pure form of the Air Raid offense has serious Red Zone problems and really sucks up against NFL-caliber DBs. It can be effective in the SEC, but needs a pro-style wrinkle, a la the New England Patriots.
For Sumlin's offense to consistently work and win games against good defenses, it needs a balanced run attack or a pro-style element to it. The pure form of the Air Raid offense has serious Red Zone problems and really sucks up against NFL-caliber DBs. It can be effective in the SEC, but needs a pro-style wrinkle, a la the New England Patriots.
Posted on 10/23/12 at 5:47 pm to cyde
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You'd hit it, bruh? I'd hit it for sure.
Anything to keep this thread derailed
Posted on 10/23/12 at 5:56 pm to KaiserSoze99
I agree. Question is, will Sumlin see this and adjust his philosophy or will he continue to try to make the air raid work?
Posted on 10/23/12 at 5:58 pm to r2d2
R2d2, Off topic?? Your premise is Sumlin style offense won't work in SEC.
I agree until he recruits SEC top caliber defense as well as SEC caliber offense. Now, many will say you can't do both.
My point is that he has the entire state of Texas and will have the pick of the liter in the coming years
So, 270 yards passing is not why he lost the game, defense was.
3 years from now, JFF will have 350 yards passing and A&M will have 200 yards rushing.
In this scenario, Saturdays game would be A&M 42 LSU 14
I agree until he recruits SEC top caliber defense as well as SEC caliber offense. Now, many will say you can't do both.
My point is that he has the entire state of Texas and will have the pick of the liter in the coming years
So, 270 yards passing is not why he lost the game, defense was.
3 years from now, JFF will have 350 yards passing and A&M will have 200 yards rushing.
In this scenario, Saturdays game would be A&M 42 LSU 14
Posted on 10/23/12 at 5:58 pm to TbirdSpur2010
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Aggies didn't start this thread, and most of us on here echo your sentiments.
Calm the frick down, brah
No freaking crap! Everytime one of these threads is started or any post is made about postgame analysis and any Aggie has ANYTHING to say other than "24-19" some LSU tard comes sprinting in to say something about "stop with the moral victories" or "OMG BUT U LOST." I promise, you can analyze a game without just looking at the score. Your head won't explode, try it out.
Now that that's out of the way, the smell of swamp arse still lingers in CS. Bring some febreeze with you next time cajuns.
This post was edited on 10/23/12 at 5:59 pm
Posted on 10/23/12 at 6:01 pm to GeauxWarTigers
Posted on 10/23/12 at 6:05 pm to r2d2
I keep telling people the spread or read option won't work in the SEC unless...
You have Tebow or Newton. Those guys can take the abuse and dish some out and in Newton's case just run over you or away from you. Tebow didn't have the speed, but he could run over you.
Johnny Football will get killed trying to do this. He can run away from people, but can't run over them. Also, I don't think A&M has much of a running game outside of him, so if you take him out, they are done. Also, not sure he is that great of a passer. What I mean by that is a pocket passer. I know he can move out of the pocket and find a receiver streaking and get it to him.
You have Tebow or Newton. Those guys can take the abuse and dish some out and in Newton's case just run over you or away from you. Tebow didn't have the speed, but he could run over you.
Johnny Football will get killed trying to do this. He can run away from people, but can't run over them. Also, I don't think A&M has much of a running game outside of him, so if you take him out, they are done. Also, not sure he is that great of a passer. What I mean by that is a pocket passer. I know he can move out of the pocket and find a receiver streaking and get it to him.
Posted on 10/23/12 at 6:07 pm to cyde
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I agree. Question is, will Sumlin see this and adjust his philosophy or will he continue to try to make the air raid work?
He's all in on the air raid. It's not really an the air raid though, you can run out of it like Oregon. In the future he may lean more towards the run. A&M is leading the SEC in rushing already. Any modern scheme can work if you get good enough players. No school as "big" as A&M has ever tried running the air raid with access to 4* and 5* recruits before. This will be an interesting experiment.
Posted on 10/23/12 at 6:08 pm to r2d2
For the most part, I agree with the OP.
Posted on 10/23/12 at 6:11 pm to PortCityTiger82
The Air raid is entertaining but one of its biggest issues seems to be that your own Defense faces it every day. LSU and Bama are so physical because that is what they see in practice. I can’t recall a single example of a team that had this O and at the same type a true elite D.
Seems like the better the O’s get the worse D’s get when teams play that style. This may be true even in the New England Patriots case.
Seems like the better the O’s get the worse D’s get when teams play that style. This may be true even in the New England Patriots case.
Posted on 10/23/12 at 6:13 pm to r2d2
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I like Sumlin, but it is a legitimate question if this philosophy will work. Evidence so far says no.
i have said this since the florida game. i've been around football a hell of a long time and run and shoot, spread, whatever, teams don't win championships. they don't know how to keep a lead and they don't know how to manage the clock. sumlin, if he concentrates on his defense, will be successful. right now he's a big 12 coach not an sec coach. the man has a great OL and RB's and he's damn wasting them so johny fricking football can run around and look cute. SEC AIN'T BIG 12.
Posted on 10/23/12 at 6:17 pm to Bose Ikard
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Manziel had more yards of offense than LSU had allowed to anyone all season long.
once again, college football games are not, and have never been, decided on yardage gained. you ex big 12ers are gonna learn this sooner or later. our DC, and florida's too, played your coach like a fiddle. frankly, i hope y'all continue to use different rulers to judge success; i like the big W myself.
Posted on 10/23/12 at 6:20 pm to LSU GrandDad
Why are you stuck on this "SEC isn't the Big12" bit? You're not providing any new information. The spread is the only offense available that will maximize our potential to be close in big games right now. Hopefully that will change down the road, but it's obvious that big12 athletes can't go toe to toe with SEC teams week in and week out. Sumlin and Co. know our roster is chock full of big12 caliber talent, so he's using it as effectively as he can.
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