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re: 1995 Nebraska or 2001 Miami vs. 2019 LSU using 1995 rules (Targeting, etc)
Posted on 1/14/20 at 9:33 pm to Dude88
Posted on 1/14/20 at 9:33 pm to Dude88
This the dumbest shite u people put on the rant. The athletes today will smoke those from 25 years ago. Nebraska’s one dimensional I-back option would get blown the frick up.
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Posted on 1/14/20 at 9:35 pm to SadUCFKnight
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Ed Reed, Sean Taylor, Frank Gore, Philip Buchanon, Clinton Portis, Willie McGhee, Mike Rumph, Ken Dorsey just to start. Would be over by halftime.
Yet they barely beat BC and VT.
Most talented team but not greatest team.
This post was edited on 1/14/20 at 9:36 pm
Posted on 1/15/20 at 8:23 am to CGSC Lobotomy
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1995 Nebraska or 2001 Miami vs. 2019 LSU using 1995 rules (Targeting, etc)
1995 rules...Big-8 teams could take partial qualifiers...SEC could not. Even then...there were very few teams that ran a triple option...and nobody ran it like Nebraska. You cannot simulate it in practice and get the same look.
Nebraska eats up clock and wins handily.
Posted on 1/15/20 at 8:27 am to TigerFanNKaty
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This the dumbest shite u people put on the rant. The athletes today will smoke those from 25 years ago. Nebraska’s one dimensional I-back option would get blown the frick up.
I'm guessing you aren't old enough to have actually seen that Nebraska offense run.
Nebraska had partial qualifiers on roids (drug testing wasn't as sophisticated as it is today).
Posted on 1/15/20 at 8:34 am to madmaxvol
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Even then...there were very few teams that ran a triple option...and nobody ran it like Nebraska.
Nebraska rarely ran the triple option. They used the I, spread, and wide running the option out of it. They did employ some wishbone in the 80s.
A lot of diversity in the offense was used with Frazier and Frost at QB.
Posted on 1/15/20 at 8:38 am to CGSC Lobotomy
Seeing as the guys from the 95 Nebraska team are in their 40s and Lawrence Phillips is dead I'd say the 95 Nebraska team squeaks out a 6 point win
Posted on 1/15/20 at 8:52 am to madmaxvol
LOL, born in 1967, I've seen it all my from wishbone to the new RPO. That Nebraska team would not dominate today's college landscape.
Posted on 1/15/20 at 9:01 am to Enos Burdette
quote:This. Shelvin, Rashard, and Logan would mash those 280 lb olinemen. Phillips and Green don't have any speed advantage on Queen and those guys.
Tough to get the option going when your 280 pound guards get bull rushed 5 yards into the backfield every play.
Posted on 1/15/20 at 9:09 am to PurpleandGeauld
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This. Shelvin, Rashard, and Logan would mash those 280 lb olinemen. Phillips and Green don't have any speed advantage on Queen and those guys.
I’d take a look at that 1995 Husker pipeline before calling them a bunch of bums.
Posted on 1/15/20 at 9:12 am to TigerFanNKaty
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LOL, born in 1967, I've seen it all my from wishbone to the new RPO. That Nebraska team would not dominate today's college landscape.
Ahman Green averaged 4.5 yards per carry in the NFL...but he would struggle against this LSU defense. He ran a 4.44 in the NFL combine...but was timed running a 4.17 (by hand, I'm sure). From 2001-2004, he had more yards from scrimmage than any other player in the NFL. He was a 4 time pro-bowler and is in the Packers Hall of Fame...but you are right...he couldn't have any success against a DL that gave up 400+ rushing yards against Ole Miss.
This post was edited on 1/15/20 at 9:14 am
Posted on 1/15/20 at 9:57 am to Dude88
2019 LSU has the stats to make the argument. 15-0, National Champions, top 10 in SOS, beat the entire preseason top 4, insane offensive production, records galore, trailed opponents in less than 3 quarters’ worth of play total all season. Their body of work is currently unprecedented.
You inexplicably try to counter that argument with:
1. the example of a top-tier offensive team from last year who didn’t play a comparable slate of opponents, didn’t post the same records or stats, and lost in the NCG;
2. another 2018 team who beat that team for the championship, but did so without comparable regular-season stats or SOS;
3. a low-percentage hypothetical that would require any number of events to have happened differently and could thus never be validated, and is also completely irrelevant to the question of whether the team that realized these results earned the right to be considered for the all-time crown; and
4. untested, proprietary predictive algorithms that, being predictive, no longer have meaning after the games have been decided on the field anyway. See above.
The OP poses a hypothetical question, but an intelligent, pertinent response requires one to look at what the teams in question actually did over the course of an entire season, not what a bunch of other teams were expected or hyped to do and didn’t.
You’re very bad at this. You have to know that, right?
You inexplicably try to counter that argument with:
1. the example of a top-tier offensive team from last year who didn’t play a comparable slate of opponents, didn’t post the same records or stats, and lost in the NCG;
2. another 2018 team who beat that team for the championship, but did so without comparable regular-season stats or SOS;
3. a low-percentage hypothetical that would require any number of events to have happened differently and could thus never be validated, and is also completely irrelevant to the question of whether the team that realized these results earned the right to be considered for the all-time crown; and
4. untested, proprietary predictive algorithms that, being predictive, no longer have meaning after the games have been decided on the field anyway. See above.
The OP poses a hypothetical question, but an intelligent, pertinent response requires one to look at what the teams in question actually did over the course of an entire season, not what a bunch of other teams were expected or hyped to do and didn’t.
You’re very bad at this. You have to know that, right?
Posted on 1/15/20 at 10:08 am to CGSC Lobotomy
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Hypothetical: How long would Ray Lewis (2001 Miami) have lasted with the current targeting rules?
You know Lewis was drafted into the NFL in 1996 correct? He actually won a SB in 2000.
Posted on 1/15/20 at 10:47 am to Dude88
quote:says 2019 lsu wasn't the greatest while describing what made them the greatest.
You mean the LSU team that barely beat a Texas team whose head coach fired something like 5 assistants in order to avoid being fired himself at season’s end?
And the LSU team that barely beat an Auburn team that lost to a Minnesota team that barely beat Ga Southern, Fresno State and South Dakota?
And the LSU team that probably would have lost to Bama had Tua been healthy in that game? And barely beat Bama as it was
I give you the sec rant
Posted on 1/15/20 at 10:58 am to madmaxvol
Again 25 years ago. I'll assume they play in the playoffs. So 3 weeks to plan for a one-dimensional team facing linebackers running 4.5 40s and linemen bigger and stronger than the O-line. I'll go with Aranda's defense. We sure as hell ain't worried about Nebraska throwing the ball. Safeties up and 9 in the box, and let's discuss Burrow shredding that Nebraska D because no one is bringing that up.
Posted on 1/15/20 at 11:49 am to TigerFanNKaty
And then Frazier eats you up with the play action.
Posted on 1/15/20 at 12:28 pm to Dude88
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Dude88
Posted on 1/15/20 at 12:36 pm to Dude88
And you support which school?
Posted on 1/15/20 at 12:56 pm to CapstoneGrad06
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And then Frazier eats you up with the play action.
Frazier was behind a 6’2” LT and his offense was a variation of a wing T dependent on the I back. The second feature was the QB option. I won’t say anything silly like “Nebraska couldn’t pass”. Nebraska would not do well passing on LSU against Delpit, Fulton, and Stingley. Their passing game basically tried to get WR’s past safeties on PA.
That’s a bad match for them.
Posted on 1/15/20 at 1:02 pm to CapstoneGrad06
LOL not with the corners and safeties LSU had this year. Bra they ran at most 2 man routes everyone in to block for the running game. I can remember those games. Play action seam routes to the TE or go routes to the wide out with one running the go and one wide out running the post opposite to pull the safety. Easiest routes to defend with good corner and safeties. LSU has AA caliber at both.
Posted on 1/15/20 at 1:32 pm to TigerFanNKaty
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So 3 weeks to plan for a one-dimensional team facing linebackers running 4.5 40s and linemen bigger and stronger than the O-line.
How many linebackers today are bigger (6'5-262) and faster (4.58 40) than Jevon Kearse (Florida '95-98)...or Grant Wistrom (6'5 - 272)...They only had 127 sacks in the NFL between the two of them. But...I'm sure that you are right that they couldn't compare to the beasts today. I mean...LSU had linebackers that averaged 235 pounds (the biggest was nearly 25 pounds lighter than Wistrom).
We aren't talking about teams in the 1950's. There is a myth that players are significantly more physical than they were 25 years ago. Jevon Kearse or Grant Wistrom would start for either of the teams that played on Monday night.
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We sure as hell ain't worried about Nebraska throwing the ball. Safeties up and 9 in the box.
Explain this...Ole Miss ran for 400 yards against your defense. Why didn't you just stack the box against them? They were the 11th rated passing offense in the SEC...and only because they beat out Arkansas by 13 yards over the course of the season. They were the #2 rushing offense in the SEC. So...if they didn't use your brilliant strategy against them...why would you think they would do it against Nebraska?
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