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re: '16 Bama and '95 Nebraska. Who ya got?

Posted on 11/27/16 at 3:28 pm to
Posted by CharlotteSooner
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Posted on 11/27/16 at 3:28 pm to
You're hilarious.
Posted by arwicklu
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Posted on 11/27/16 at 3:28 pm to
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looks like bama is not only significantly bigger, faster, and stronger than every team Nebraska played



This is true but Bama hasn't played an offense this good during the season. Nebraska never played a defense that good either. Bama would just need so much practice against that offensive style. They struggled figuring it out against a bad team a couple years back.
Posted by MrCarton
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Posted on 11/27/16 at 3:33 pm to
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This is true but Bama hasn't played an offense this good during the season. Nebraska never played a defense that good either. Bama would just need so much practice against that offensive style. They struggled figuring it out against a bad team a couple years back.


i understand all of that.

Nebraska isn't just going to be able to push bama around and have their way with the TO like they did everyone else. It's impossible. Nebraska would have never faced a team that powerful, to assume they would experience the same success is kind of silly IMO. Not to say you believe that.

Bama could easily lose to Nebraska. they lost to Ole Miss twice in a row. If we are all being honest, then Nebraska isn't going to take their 95 roster and go HAM on the league in 2016. its not just bama that would stop them.
Posted by MrCarton
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Posted on 11/27/16 at 3:37 pm to
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You're hilarious.




I see you are coming STRONG with the facts. Really tearing my case to pieces.

let me recap your major points:

1. Nebraska crushed all their opponents in 95. this means they are better than bama 2016.

2. 2016 Nebraska has a modern div one cfb roster.

3. ur hilarious

does that sum it up?
This post was edited on 11/27/16 at 3:40 pm
Posted by BadAgg7
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Posted on 11/27/16 at 3:39 pm to
sjwu jr wouldn't be able to run on bama.
Posted by thatdude1985
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Posted on 11/27/16 at 3:57 pm to
I feel like I know you bruh
Posted by arwicklu
Houston, TX
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Posted on 11/27/16 at 3:59 pm to
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Nebraska isn't just going to be able to push bama around and have their way with the TO like they did everyone else. It's impossible. Nebraska would have never faced a team that powerful, to assume they would experience the same success is kind of silly IMO. Not to say you believe that.


On the flip side even though Nebraska had a good defense they didn't see the HUNH and read option looks that you see now. It took Saban a couple years to adapt so it's very possible that Nebraska defense would have issues there.

It's the styles that make it a very hard to really compare. I will say that Alabama has the defensive talent to beat anyone that has ever played college ball. Regardless if Nebraska gets time of possession on their side, then they'll stomp anyone.

In my opinion Nebraska isn't a more talented team but they're a more dominant and better college team. That being said, I believe they're the best team of all time so obviously I'm going to think that. I really loved watching that team regardless of hypothetical matchups, etc.
This post was edited on 11/27/16 at 4:08 pm
Posted by MrCarton
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Posted on 11/27/16 at 4:02 pm to
Posted by makersmark1
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Posted on 11/27/16 at 4:02 pm to
I think a team of guys from 18 to 24 years old will run circles around a bunch of 40 year old dudes.
Posted by arwicklu
Houston, TX
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 11/27/16 at 4:08 pm to
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'16 Bama and '95 Nebraska. Who ya got? by makersmark1
I think a team of guys from 18 to 24 years old will run circles around a bunch of 40 year old dudes.




Well Lawrence Phillips probably wouldn't be the same player these days. RIP.
This post was edited on 11/27/16 at 4:10 pm
Posted by droliver
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Posted on 11/27/16 at 4:31 pm to
Relative to their era, that Nebraska team (and the 2001 Miami team) were more dominating, certainly on offense. The triple option though, was notably schemed out of existence shortly thereafter by dramatically faster defenses. The 2015-2016 Alabama teams are the apex predators of that evolution.

However, if you took the teams in a vacuum and lined them up to play any of the recent vintage Alabama teams 2009-2016 are better physically.
Posted by bamafan1001
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Posted on 11/27/16 at 4:33 pm to
Well this is the best run D ive ever seen at Bama and considering that was Nebraska's bread and butter, id go with Bama in this game.
Posted by arwicklu
Houston, TX
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 11/27/16 at 4:35 pm to
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he triple option though, was notably schemed out of existence shortly thereafter by dramatically faster defenses. The 2015-2016 Alabama teams are the apex predators of that evolution.


I think it's more schemed out by recruiting. It's hard to get elite guys when the offense doesn't prepare you for the NFL.
Posted by skrayper
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Posted on 11/27/16 at 4:38 pm to
Those guys from the 95 team are probably out of shape these days ;)
Posted by arwicklu
Houston, TX
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Posted on 11/27/16 at 4:41 pm to
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Well this is the best run D ive ever seen at Bama and considering that was Nebraska's bread and butter, id go with Bama in this game.




Completely different type of run game though.
Posted by droliver
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Posted on 11/27/16 at 4:46 pm to
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think it's more schemed out by recruiting. It's hard to get elite guys when the offense doesn't prepare you for the NFL.


The guys who were NFL QB prospects weren't going to those places to begin with though, and theres a lot of HS athletes that could run the option that don't get a chance to play QB at D1 levels.

The RB's are all over the place, and the lineman really don't have to be the freak size of the NFL prototype. The option and zone block guys (like Denver in the NFL) have to be more nimble.

The guys are there, and Malzhan's system (which is essentially the "no huddle" option) has been effective at times by speeding up the pace. Again, the speed of the defense and adaptations to personal changes/subs has caught up again.
Posted by vengeanceofrain
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Posted on 11/27/16 at 4:50 pm to
Bama isn't scoring on the black shirts


Nebraska's third string rb that year was ahman green
Posted by arwicklu
Houston, TX
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 11/27/16 at 4:51 pm to
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The guys are there, and Malzhan's system (which is essentially the "no huddle" option) has been effective at times by speeding up the pace. Again, the speed of the defense and adaptations to personal changes/subs has caught up again.


Bama didn't even stop a bad team running it a few years ago. Why did Bama struggle with it. Navy scored 75 points and beat Houston this year. Georgia Tech has a winning record. Navy is top 25. These aren't teams with top talent.
Posted by arwicklu
Houston, TX
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 11/27/16 at 4:52 pm to
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Bama isn't scoring on the black shirts


Let's not get carried away. Teams did score on them.
Posted by MrCarton
Paradise Valley, MT
Member since Dec 2009
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Posted on 11/27/16 at 4:57 pm to
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The guys are there, and Malzhan's system (which is essentially the "no huddle" option) has been effective at times by speeding up the pace. Again, the speed of the defense and adaptations to personal changes/subs has caught up again.





good posts man.

I think it has to be pointed out that Auburn was successful when they had an all time great QB and a big fast, strong offensive line. Auburns moder day offensive line is 15-20 pounds heavier than Nebraska's 95 o line across the board. if Nebraskas team tried to run that scheme today thry would be losing multiple key match ups on every snap.

teams like Bama and OSU have defensive linemen that are bigger and more athletic than Nebraska's o line in 95. how many cut blocks can possible make up for this enormous advantage? After watching the highlights, I dont think Nebraska could consistently scheme its way to wins over the better teams in cfb today, especially not the elite tier.
This post was edited on 11/27/16 at 4:59 pm
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