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re: '16 Bama and '95 Nebraska. Who ya got?
Posted on 11/27/16 at 1:38 pm to MrCarton
Posted on 11/27/16 at 1:38 pm to MrCarton
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It's a different and better era of cfb. Players are bigger faster stronger.
By how much? Nebraska, Miami, FSU, were not that much off from today's. The last time this was brought up someone posted 2001 Miami couldn't hang with today's college athlete. So I posted this little tidbit of info.
So I looked at combine results and compared 1999 to 2016 averages. Here's what I found:
40 times(of those who participated)
1999 - 4.82
2016 - 4.80
40 times(of top 100)
1999 - 4.50
2016 - 4.51
bench reps(of those who participated)
1999 - 20.5
2016 - 19.4
bench reps(of the top 100)
1999 - 25.64
2016 - 24.95
Now tell me again how much stronger and faster are today's college athletes compared to 17 years ago?
This post was edited on 11/27/16 at 1:43 pm
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Posted on 11/27/16 at 1:39 pm to CharlotteSooner
You act like nobody cut blocks these days. They still do. The athletes are able to push linemen down and get up quicker because they are BETTER ATHLETES. Alabama also has so pretty good linebackers that are very fast. Again im not saying either is better you just insist on fricking aruing
Posted on 11/27/16 at 1:39 pm to BoddaBoom7
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I have never seen anything like it. Except some o the steel curtain defenses the Steelers used to roll out or the 85 Bears. Those are literally the only defenses ive seen that are better and theyre fricking pros
Posted on 11/27/16 at 1:40 pm to arwicklu
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I'm not saying Bama doesn't have the talent to win but there's no way to simulate that Nebraska offense.
true. I think the blackshirts were way underated that year too.
My gut would say huskers in a win, but my money would be on Bama.
Posted on 11/27/16 at 1:42 pm to Ag Zwin
Nebraska 95 best team ever.
Posted on 11/27/16 at 1:42 pm to RLDSC FAN
That was an bvious joke. Theyre good but cmon
Posted on 11/27/16 at 1:47 pm to BoddaBoom7
Hardly anybody cut blocks these days outside of the academy teams who still run option offenses. It's frowned upon because it causes a lot of lower leg injuries to the defense even though it's a legal block. We had Air Force in Norman a few years ago with superior players at every position on both side of the ball. Air Force mowed us down again and again and again and ran all over our asses even though they still lost. You can't sufficiently prepare for a triple option attack in a week's practice because it's an old offense nobody uses anymore. And you DAMN SURE couldn't prepare for a triple option attack as beastly as 95 Nebraska's was in a week, I don't care how good you are present day. Not happening....
This post was edited on 11/27/16 at 1:48 pm
Posted on 11/27/16 at 1:52 pm to CharlotteSooner
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Hardly anybody cut blocks these days outside of the academy teams who still run option offenses.
Myles Garrett says, "Hi."
Posted on 11/27/16 at 1:53 pm to CharlotteSooner
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And you DAMN SURE couldn't prepare for a triple option attack as beastly as 95 Nebraska's was in a week, I don't care how good you are present day. Not happening....
That really is the issue. You'd have to play Navy, Georgia Tech, and every decent current option team to prepare. Then you'd have to make sure your run the ball enough to make sure your defense doesn't gas. Frazier also threw the ball better than most triple option teams. Your pass rush won't catch them though because you're always playing the run. If you don't get murdered in time of possession, then there's a shot. Nebraska was just such an amazing team though.
Posted on 11/27/16 at 1:56 pm to CharlotteSooner
Teams cut block on quick slants to get dlinemens hands down. In fact i saw it several times this weekend and none of them were running the triple option. And if the triple option is so unstoppable, why the hell isnt everyone doing it? Because d coordinators figured it out in the 90s. They only reason it has any kind of success in todays game is like you said, they dont ever prep for it. If they faced it more you would see its not as good as you think
Posted on 11/27/16 at 1:58 pm to BoddaBoom7
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And if the triple option is so unstoppable, why the hell isnt everyone doing it?
It isn't unstoppable in general but the way Nebraska ran it was beastly. It would be hard to stop today because you don't see it or practice for it. They were pounding top 5 teams with it and naming their score.
Posted on 11/27/16 at 2:01 pm to arwicklu
Exactly, defenses adjusted to it because they ran it so good. Im sure coordinators lost many hours of sleep over that team. You are starting to see it with the read option. Coordinators are adjusting and rushing the mesh point
Posted on 11/27/16 at 2:02 pm to arwicklu
Exactly. Wistrom wasn't a beastly TE for no reason. Frazier could throw the ball and he would pull up on that option and fire it downfield to Wistrom streaking wide open all the time when the defense crept up to stop Frazier and Green in the running game. It was really a lose/lose situation no matter what you did. They're the greatest team of all time for a reason. They were great in every aspect of the game.
-They allowed ZERO sacks, the entire season. ZERO....the entire season.
-They allowed 5 punt returns all season for a net total of 12 yards. That's all season. 5 returns. 12 yards total.
-They averaged 52.3 points per game and gave up 14.5 points per game. That's all season.
-They beat four teams during the season that finished the year in the AP top 10, each by more than 20 points.
That's absurd.
-They allowed ZERO sacks, the entire season. ZERO....the entire season.
-They allowed 5 punt returns all season for a net total of 12 yards. That's all season. 5 returns. 12 yards total.
-They averaged 52.3 points per game and gave up 14.5 points per game. That's all season.
-They beat four teams during the season that finished the year in the AP top 10, each by more than 20 points.
That's absurd.
Posted on 11/27/16 at 2:04 pm to Cdawg
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Now tell me again how much stronger and faster are today's college athletes compared to 17 years ago?
todays players are bigger, faster, and stronger. Posting arbitrary metricS from Combine Events Doesnt Prove Your Point.
A simple google search will reveal detailed studies about the size amd athletic performance of CFB players since 1942. You will notice that players are now... Bigger, faster, and stronger than ever before. To say otherwise is to believe that somehow despite 70 years of efforts to get bigger faster stronger, football players have stagnated for almost a qtr century.
This post was edited on 11/27/16 at 2:18 pm
Posted on 11/27/16 at 2:05 pm to CharlotteSooner
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-They averaged 52.3 points per game and gave up 14.5 points per game. That's all season.
-They beat four teams during the season that finished the year in the AP top 10, each by more than 20 points.
They also weren't running up the score. They gave their second and third string tons of reps in blowouts. The only game they really tried to prove a point was against Florida where they wanted blood.
This post was edited on 11/27/16 at 2:09 pm
Posted on 11/27/16 at 2:15 pm to arwicklu
No doubt. Scariest damn team I've ever seen.
Posted on 11/27/16 at 2:21 pm to MrCarton
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todays players are bigger, faster, and stronger. Posting arbitrary metricS from Combine Events Doesnt Prove Your Point.
well show me your proof. Otherwise, I can state todays' athletes are just soft, pampered millennials and not as tough as older athletes. By your statement, I assume every college player should be running 4.4's and doing 40 reps by now.
Just bc you upgrade your iphone every year doesnt' mean that today's athlete is far superior than 15 years ago.
Posted on 11/27/16 at 2:25 pm to Cdawg
Difference is that these are 315 - 325 lb. linemen putting up the same 40 times and strength numbers.
Posted on 11/27/16 at 2:27 pm to JuiceTerry
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Difference is that these are 315 - 325 lb. linemen putting up the same 40 times and strength numbers.
It's only 20 years ago. It's not that big of a difference. We're not talking about the 50's. People talk about '01 Miami and this is just a few years earlier.
Posted on 11/27/16 at 2:29 pm to Cdawg
On its face your argument is counter intuitive. I think virtually everyone would tell you that combine stats are a poor metric for BFS, outside of BW/composition metrics. the 40 is one measurement of speed. its not the only metric and its nowhere near the most important. dont even get me started on bench press.
here, I Googled it for you.
here, I Googled it for you.
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