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re: 12-team playoff is probably going to happen
Posted on 6/9/21 at 8:14 pm to VFL1800FPD
Posted on 6/9/21 at 8:14 pm to VFL1800FPD
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the importance of each and every regular season game, and the intense regional aspect
So, with a four team playoff, EACH AND EVERY regular season game has more importance than it would if there is an 8-12 team playoff?
Really?
I hear this argument a lot and laugh at the absurdity.
Which scenario would make a Texas A&M (9-2) vs LSU (9-2) final regular season game more important?
A. There is a four team playoff.
B. There is an 8-12 team playoff.
I'll hang up and listen.....
Posted on 6/9/21 at 8:29 pm to anc
quote:Who didn't see this coming from the day the BCS was first formed?
12-team playoff is probably going to happen
Posted on 6/9/21 at 9:06 pm to anc
Everyone knows that last year was bullshite. Look at half of those teams in the playoffs lol. That alone is proof that the covid year was totally crazy and not normal. Should have an asterisk by the "champion".
Posted on 6/9/21 at 9:35 pm to GusAU
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Which scenario would make a Texas A&M (9-2) vs LSU (9-2) final regular season game more important?
A. There is a four team playoff.
B. There is an 8-12 team playoff.
Which one of those makes a game between top 5 teams more important?
Posted on 6/9/21 at 10:13 pm to GiantDawg
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Which one of those makes a game between top 5 teams more important?
What if only one or neither of those teams are in the top 5?
What a dumb response....
Posted on 6/9/21 at 10:58 pm to GusAU
Do you literally sit there and laugh at the absurdity? That’s odd.
You are telling me that a 2 loss team that presumably didn’t win its division deserves to go to the playoffs?
I am talking about the BCS system where if a top 5 team slipped up and lost to some chump in week 4 then they might have screwed themselves out of a shot at the title. That aspect brought a sudden death aspect to each weekend that we are missing now. With an 8-12 team playoff, a team could lose 3/4 times and still make it in. I argue that’s bad for the sport. The more playoff spots you have, the less each loss matters and the more CFB loses its Uniqueness.
Everyone wants everything handed to them these days, it’s pathetic
You are telling me that a 2 loss team that presumably didn’t win its division deserves to go to the playoffs?
I am talking about the BCS system where if a top 5 team slipped up and lost to some chump in week 4 then they might have screwed themselves out of a shot at the title. That aspect brought a sudden death aspect to each weekend that we are missing now. With an 8-12 team playoff, a team could lose 3/4 times and still make it in. I argue that’s bad for the sport. The more playoff spots you have, the less each loss matters and the more CFB loses its Uniqueness.
Everyone wants everything handed to them these days, it’s pathetic
This post was edited on 6/9/21 at 11:01 pm
Posted on 6/10/21 at 12:07 am to VFL1800FPD
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Do you literally sit there and laugh at the absurdity? That’s odd.
Yes....just like I'm doing now at your response.
What if the scenario I presented had A&M ranked #7 and LSU ranked #9?
With answer A (a four team playoff), that game would stand a good chance of being meaningless concerning the national championship.
With answer B, that game would be a hard sellout and must see TV for any college football fan.
Do you really not think that is a sudden death scenario for the losing team?
Remember, you are arguing that a four team playoff makes EVERY game important ( ).
I am arguing that an 8-12 team playoff would make WAY MORE GAMES much more meaningful than they would be in a four team playoff.
It really is an unfair argument....
Posted on 6/10/21 at 6:08 am to GusAU
If we're looking at a 12 team playoff like this, it's not the end of the world. I do think it's the end of the bowls, and conference championships likely.
Posted on 6/10/21 at 6:39 am to Scoob
I always enjoy the "meaningful regular season" argument. In terms of the national championship the regular season is meaningless for 90+ percent of college football teams, and has been for over 50 years
We've simply gone from a beauty contest to an exclusive invitational.
"Preserve the bowls" is another laugher. Most of these bowls did not exist a generation ago. Killing off 30 or so "Dukes mayonnaise bowls" would be fine by me.
We've simply gone from a beauty contest to an exclusive invitational.
"Preserve the bowls" is another laugher. Most of these bowls did not exist a generation ago. Killing off 30 or so "Dukes mayonnaise bowls" would be fine by me.
This post was edited on 6/10/21 at 7:18 am
Posted on 6/10/21 at 7:02 am to anc
Imagine if only four teams played in March madness. Would it be nearly as fun? I don’t think so, I am warming up to the idea myself.
Posted on 6/10/21 at 9:57 am to Drydock
I hear the arguments about making the regular season meaningless...but what if we look at it from another perspective. Could it actually make the regular season more interesting?
Right now, very few schools are signing up to play OOC P5 competition. Few home and homes, with the rare neutral site game. If you don't have the fear of 1 loss and done (unless you're in the SEC), do you create more regular season intrigue by putting new opponents on the schedule?
People put cupcakes in place so they get Ws. Sure, you can keep that model and go for the playoff byes. Or reward your fans and create revenue, new matchups and venues we don't regularly get to see. If it's about money, this is how you maximize it.
Right now, very few schools are signing up to play OOC P5 competition. Few home and homes, with the rare neutral site game. If you don't have the fear of 1 loss and done (unless you're in the SEC), do you create more regular season intrigue by putting new opponents on the schedule?
People put cupcakes in place so they get Ws. Sure, you can keep that model and go for the playoff byes. Or reward your fans and create revenue, new matchups and venues we don't regularly get to see. If it's about money, this is how you maximize it.
Posted on 6/10/21 at 10:02 am to anc
I think six is an okay expansion, but 12 seems ridiculous. The first round of the CFP always seems to be a snooze fest anyway. There really are only 1-2 teams worthy each year. CFP is so corporatized and big money now anyway, who cares what they do.
Posted on 6/10/21 at 10:13 am to internetdad
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Lol Bama will be in the playoffs every year. This is not what college football needs
Well UNC is in the NCAAB tourney every year, though very much apples to oranges since one player can get hot and ruin your season.
I like 8 teams: win your conference for an auto bid and three at-larges. I know some might fret at a 15th ranked Washington making the playoff but there needs to be an objective path for all [P5 in this case] to get in so everyone has the same standard. There was a time where the strength of conferences were relatively cyclic, I think having a guaranteed spot for each P5 might help regain that somewhat.
Also bring back a revised BCS system to handle the rankings. The committee ranks teams to justify other rankings and rank teams based on what-ifs (eg Florida only dropping one spot in case they beat Bama to include the SEC champ at 4). If it means rematches then oh well it happens in professional leagues too.
Posted on 6/10/21 at 10:15 am to anc
Waste of time. Nothing but a money grab for networks.
Posted on 6/10/21 at 10:16 am to paperwasp
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It's important for the sport in having visibility outside of the SEC and the B1G. Having a PAC champion and Group of 5 team will help promote CFB in other regions. Will they win? Hell, no. But at least they can no longer complain about being given a shot
They might not win now, but I think recruits might expand their options down the road. The revenue could help these programs compete w/ the other conferences. There’s plenty of talent outside of TX, FL, and GA that can play for other schools not in the SEC/B1G; and hell the ACC and B12 have pipelines there, but they just don’t have the exposure or revenue to compete right now. The expansion might not completely fix that issue but of all the money grabbing going on now this actually might help close the gap between haves and have-nots.
I think the real problem is lack of central governance over the sport; the other conferences were far too late in recognizing what football dollars can do, or in the ACC’s case, just didn’t care. Thank god Swofford is gone.
This post was edited on 6/10/21 at 10:26 am
Posted on 6/10/21 at 10:21 am to Old Money
That is because your team hasn't been good enough to be selected.
Posted on 6/10/21 at 10:31 am to tmjones2
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12 team playoff makes the regular season absolutely meaningless for Bama, Clempson, Ohio State, etc. Pass.
Agree that 12 is too much. I do like the idea of Auto-bids for winning your conference; that’s the added incentive to win that could alleviate that issue.
Posted on 6/10/21 at 10:41 am to ImayGoLesMiles
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Everyone knows that last year was bullshite. Look at half of those teams in the playoffs lol. That alone is proof that the covid year was totally crazy and not normal. Should have an asterisk by the "champion".
Do you really have a championship program? You don't even hear Vandy offering up these pathetic excuses, over and over. Auburn just put the biggest margin of victory on LSU in their history. BAMA put more points on LSU's defense than any other game in the rivalry. 55 points and frankly BAMA was merciful.
All LSU has done since these wipeouts is to talk about how unfair 2020 was and we need our asterisk to rationalize losses to Miss State, Missouri, TAMU, Auburn, and mighty BAMA.
Championship programs own it. Losers make excuses.
Posted on 6/10/21 at 10:53 am to anc
Let's look at 2019.
1. LSU (Bye)
2. Ohio State (Bye)
3. Clemson (Bye)
4. OU (Bye)
5. UGA hosts 12. Auburn
6. Oregon hosts 11. Utah
7. Baylor hosts 10. Penn State
8. Wisconsin hosts 9. Florida
I just think this would result in keeping more of the country's fan bases engaged in the product throughout the regular season and postseason. Will it hurt some of the do-or-die games that would've been had previously...sure. But, I'd argue it would add more of those and be a net-positive. We shall see.
1. LSU (Bye)
2. Ohio State (Bye)
3. Clemson (Bye)
4. OU (Bye)
5. UGA hosts 12. Auburn
6. Oregon hosts 11. Utah
7. Baylor hosts 10. Penn State
8. Wisconsin hosts 9. Florida
I just think this would result in keeping more of the country's fan bases engaged in the product throughout the regular season and postseason. Will it hurt some of the do-or-die games that would've been had previously...sure. But, I'd argue it would add more of those and be a net-positive. We shall see.
Posted on 6/10/21 at 10:56 am to anc
Alabama, Clemson, Ohio State, and Oklahoma will never miss the Playoff now.
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