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re: 1-7 scheduling model gaining momentum per SI’s Ross Dellinger
Posted on 6/6/22 at 11:42 am to WG_Dawg
Posted on 6/6/22 at 11:42 am to WG_Dawg
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this would not only be logically stupid but would pretty much kill the SEC as we've known it for nearly 100 years. It is baffling why anyone would think this is the best method instead of having 3 permanent opponents.
Disagree. LSU hasn’t played in Athens since 2013. Tennessee hasn’t played in Baton Rouge since 2010.
It makes no sense to not have conference members play one another more than once or twice a decade, just so UGA can have its annual “rivalry” games with UF, Auburn, and Tennessee.
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Posted on 6/6/22 at 11:42 am to SummerOfGeorge
quote:My FIL grew up in Gainesville and then attended UF
Honest question, in the days before message boards and twitter, did the rest of the conference really know about it (I'm talking fans, not administrators)? There was a lot more insulation back then.
He said as a boy it was known to turn on the radio and lsu would be playing at night
This was in the early 60s
Posted on 6/6/22 at 11:43 am to lsupride87
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He said as a boy it was known to turn on the radio and lsu would be playing at night
This was in the early 60s
Now that makes sense, and reminds me of my dad saying the same (listening on WWL). We used to (in the mid-90s) listen to LSU games on drives back from Tuscaloosa at night when they'd be playing the ESPN night game.
Another great thing of the past lost.
This post was edited on 6/6/22 at 11:44 am
Posted on 6/6/22 at 11:44 am to logjamming
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Disagree. LSU hasn’t played in Athens since 2013. Tennessee hasn’t played in Baton Rouge since 2010.
It makes no sense to not have conference members play one another more than once or twice a decade, just so UGA can have its annual “rivalry” games with UF, Auburn, and Tennessee.
But that's the point - your issue is already being fixed by a 3-6 model. This isnt current model vs 1-7 or 1-8 or whatever.
Posted on 6/6/22 at 11:45 am to lsufball19
Posted on 6/6/22 at 11:46 am to logjamming
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It makes no sense to not have conference members play one another more than once or twice a decade, just so UGA can have its annual “rivalry” games with UF, Auburn, and Tennessee.
Sure, but even before we went to a set schedule in 1992, LSU barely played Tennessee or Georgia. They'd play H&Hs then go 6 years without playing at all, sometime shorter sometimes longer. LSU and UGA actually went 25 years without playing each other at one point from 1953-1978. Same can be said for other matchups. Before the 1992 expansion, Ole Miss and Flroida had only playued 17 times. And all these schools are charter members, and the SEC only had 8 teams for about 30 years. So this notion of being in the same conference and not playing every team in the conference often has always been a thing in the SEC
This post was edited on 6/6/22 at 11:51 am
Posted on 6/6/22 at 11:49 am to lsufball19
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Sure, but even before we went to a set schedule in 1992, LSU barely played Tennessee or Georgia. They'd play H&Hs then go 6 years without playing at all, sometime shorter sometimes longer. LSU and UGA actually went 25 years without playing each other at one point from 1953-1978
Yep, a lot of people would be shocked at home little some current division teams played.
- Alabama and Ole Miss didn't play every year
- Alabama didn't play Kentucky from 1948-1971, only played them 4 times from 1948-1987. 4 times in 40 years while in the same 10-12 team league.
- Alabama played Florida 4 straight years from 1970-1973 and only 4 other times from 1952-1985.
- Georgia and Tennessee weren't rivals at all. They played 6 times from 1970 to 1990.
- Auburn had great rivalries with Florida and Tennessee. They rarely played LSU (8 games from 1943 to 1990).
- Auburn and Ole Miss had only played a total of 12 games through 1983
I'm sure everyone else has their own other SEC teams that were basically OOC teams pre-1992 as well.
Alabama played Penn State more often in the 70s and 80s than half the SEC.
This post was edited on 6/6/22 at 11:56 am
Posted on 6/6/22 at 11:51 am to Draconian Sanctions
Expansion and greed have killed what made this conference great.
Posted on 6/6/22 at 11:53 am to Draconian Sanctions
quote:So games that don't last 5 hours and a higher level of play?
In 15-20 years the SEC will more closely resemble the NFL than it will the SEC of 1970
Posted on 6/6/22 at 11:54 am to lsufball19
GA tech and Mississippi state were founding members of the SEC and played each other a grand total of zero (0) times before GA tech left the conference. The history of the “conference” has been play your rivals, there was no grand plan to get all the teams to play each other, even when the conference was much smaller and that was far more practical. That didn’t change until 30 years ago with the divisions.
I don’t know why it has to be 7-1 or 6-3. Just agree on total conference games and then lock in some rivalry games, let the rest of the schedule rotate. If Uga has two permanent games but Missouri only has 1 or 3 who GAF. They’ll still all play pretty often.
I don’t know why it has to be 7-1 or 6-3. Just agree on total conference games and then lock in some rivalry games, let the rest of the schedule rotate. If Uga has two permanent games but Missouri only has 1 or 3 who GAF. They’ll still all play pretty often.
Posted on 6/6/22 at 11:55 am to SummerOfGeorge
Yep, our most played games have been:
1. State 115
2. Ole Miss 110
3. Alabama 86
4. Florida 68
Those are the only 4 teams we have played every year since 1971. Florida would have gone back to 1953, but LSU didn't play them from 1968-1970 for some reason. LSU has played Alabama every year since 1951. And obviously Ole Miss and State since always
*We've also played Tulane 98 times but stopped playing them annually in 1994.
1. State 115
2. Ole Miss 110
3. Alabama 86
4. Florida 68
Those are the only 4 teams we have played every year since 1971. Florida would have gone back to 1953, but LSU didn't play them from 1968-1970 for some reason. LSU has played Alabama every year since 1951. And obviously Ole Miss and State since always
*We've also played Tulane 98 times but stopped playing them annually in 1994.
This post was edited on 6/6/22 at 12:02 pm
Posted on 6/6/22 at 11:57 am to lsufball19
Yep - Alabama is
1. Tennessee (103)
2. Mississippi St (102)
3. LSU (84)
3. Vanderbilt (84)
5. Auburn (80)
6. Georgia (70)
7. Ole Miss (65)
8. Georgia Tech (52) (haven't played since 1984)
Everybody else less than 50
1. Tennessee (103)
2. Mississippi St (102)
3. LSU (84)
3. Vanderbilt (84)
5. Auburn (80)
6. Georgia (70)
7. Ole Miss (65)
8. Georgia Tech (52) (haven't played since 1984)
Everybody else less than 50
This post was edited on 6/6/22 at 11:58 am
Posted on 6/6/22 at 11:59 am to Kingcmo
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I don’t know why it has to be 7-1 or 6-3. Just agree on total conference games and then lock in some rivalry games, let the rest of the schedule rotate. If Uga has two permanent games but Missouri only has 1 or 3 who GAF. They’ll still all play pretty often.
That'd be nice, seriously, but will never happen because people will want the same balance for everyone. I'd be all for earmarking certain games and then figuring out the rest, but some teams would have more rotating games than others so I'm not even sure how you'd set a system like that up. Especially for the expansion teams that don't have history with other conference members like the founding members do
This post was edited on 6/6/22 at 12:01 pm
Posted on 6/6/22 at 12:00 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Rebs:
State - 115
LSU - 105
Vandy - 92
Pigs - 68
Tennesee - 66
Bama - 65
Tulane - 63
Memphis - 63
Auburn - 46
Georgia 46
Kentucky 44
Florida 25
Southern Miss - 23
State - 115
LSU - 105
Vandy - 92
Pigs - 68
Tennesee - 66
Bama - 65
Tulane - 63
Memphis - 63
Auburn - 46
Georgia 46
Kentucky 44
Florida 25
Southern Miss - 23
Posted on 6/6/22 at 12:03 pm to lsufball19
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That'd be nice, seriously, but will never happen because people will want the same balance for everyone. I'd be all for earmarking certain games and then figuring out the rest, but some teams would have more rotating games than others so I'm not even sure how you'd set a system like that up. Especially for the expansion teams that don't have history with other conference members like the founding members do
If this was the case, Vandy would have the toughest schedule in the country every season.
Posted on 6/6/22 at 12:14 pm to Draconian Sanctions
None of the things people usually mention as diminishing their interest in college football --open transfers, NIL etc -- bother me in the least compared to all the conference expansions.
Posted on 6/6/22 at 12:17 pm to wm72
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None of the things people usually mention as diminishing their interest in college football --open transfers, NIL etc -- bother me in the least compared to all the conference expansions.
Agreed. Maryland plays in the Big Ten and West Virginia plays on the Big XII. Oklahoma and Nebraska don't play anymore.
It sucks.
Posted on 6/6/22 at 12:19 pm to Tornado Alley
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Ole Miss has played LSU and State 100+ times. No one wants to see Ole Miss/LSU go away.
But Ole Miss and Miss. State are in-state SEC rivals, that is more of the traditional long term rival game. LSU/Ole Miss really took off in the 1950's when Vaught/Dietzel were coaching Ole Miss and LSU.
Posted on 6/6/22 at 12:23 pm to lsufball19
LSU and Alabama played each other frequently, but not every year between 1951 and 1963 (I think), they did not play each other in 1961, both were undefeated in league play were deemed CO-SEC Champions. There were a few other years they did not play between those 2 times. I think during that time period, LSU played Bama frequently and in years LSU did not play Bama, GA. Tech or TENN would be played, etc.
Posted on 6/6/22 at 12:32 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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1-7 scheduling model gaining momentum per SI’s Ross Dellinger
This would be awful.
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