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re: Supreme Court rules in favor of Religious companies not covering contraception
Posted on 6/30/14 at 11:29 am to Vols&Shaft83
Posted on 6/30/14 at 11:29 am to Vols&Shaft83
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Does your plan also cover birth control and hysterectomies?
Hobby Lobby's won't. But it's apparently ok by religious standards to pay for male birth control.
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Posted on 6/30/14 at 11:30 am to BluegrassBelle
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But it's apparently ok by religious standards to pay for male birth control
For the record, I wouldn't have a problem if they chose not to cover that as well.
Posted on 6/30/14 at 11:32 am to BluegrassBelle
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But it's apparently ok by religious standards to pay for male birth control.
Purposely obtuse alert, my beautiful Belle.
vasectomies are infinitely more cost effective to pay for than pregnancy or both control, which are ongoing costs for the employer.
And Hobby Lobby did not reject ALL birth controls, just ones that knowingly abort fetuses.
Posted on 6/30/14 at 11:32 am to Alahunter
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For the record, I wouldn't have a problem if they chose not to cover that as well.
I wouldn't either. But a vasectomy isn't also used as more than a form of birth control.
Posted on 6/30/14 at 11:32 am to BluegrassBelle
Agree that they shouldn't cover male options either
Posted on 6/30/14 at 11:33 am to Henry Jones Jr
I don't agree that they shouldn't. I do agree that they have the freedom to choose to or not though.
Posted on 6/30/14 at 11:34 am to Henry Jones Jr
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I understand the argument that BC is used for medical purposes but at the end of the day it's still a contraceptive regardless of what you're using it for. And there are companies that are based under a religion that prohibits contraceptive. So why should they be forced to pay for it?
Where there goes your naughty time for your upcoming roadtrip
Posted on 6/30/14 at 11:34 am to 3nOut
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And Hobby Lobby did not reject ALL birth controls, just ones that knowingly abort fetuses.
The ruling waived the birth control mandate all together. They don't have to cover any of it. Well at least on the female end.
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vasectomies are infinitely more cost effective to pay for than pregnancy or both control, which are ongoing costs for the employer.
And female birth control is not? It's not about the cost effectiveness though. It's about denying birth control for religious purposes. But apparently it only applies to women.
Posted on 6/30/14 at 11:34 am to BluegrassBelle
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I'd love to see the response if some of these companies riding under the guise of "religious freedom" actually eliminated coverage of ALL forms of birth control.
I wonder how many men have a prescription for Viagra, Cialis, etc that insurance covers so they can have sex with women are outraged that birth control be covered for the woman with whom they want to have sex.
Posted on 6/30/14 at 11:35 am to BluegrassBelle
Hobby Lobby doesn't cover hysterectomies?
Posted on 6/30/14 at 11:36 am to Vols&Shaft83
Posted on 6/30/14 at 11:36 am to BluegrassBelle
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Personally, I don't have a problem with it unless it's been prescribed for a medical condition/reason. It'd be shitty to deny that coverage to a woman who needs it to control endometriosis or something along those lines.
Even Catholic institutions' health plans cover things like this for "medical necessity."
Posted on 6/30/14 at 11:36 am to 3nOut
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And Hobby Lobby did not reject ALL birth controls, just ones that knowingly abort fetuses.
So now Plan B aborts fetuses?
Posted on 6/30/14 at 11:37 am to Henry Jones Jr
Right but let's take that logic a step further...
What if a Jehova's Witness founds a company and decides they shouldn't pay for blood transfusions. Another decides vaccinations are against their religion. Should that be held to the same standard of the more mainstream Christian view on birth control?
What if a Jehova's Witness founds a company and decides they shouldn't pay for blood transfusions. Another decides vaccinations are against their religion. Should that be held to the same standard of the more mainstream Christian view on birth control?
Posted on 6/30/14 at 11:37 am to BluegrassBelle
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The ruling waived the birth control mandate all together. They don't have to cover any of it. Well at least on the female end.
aha. but you are vilifying HL in this situation when they are indeed only seeking to stop birth controls that disagree with their religion beliefs. Not all BC.
Posted on 6/30/14 at 11:37 am to Vols&Shaft83
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Hobby Lobby doesn't cover hysterectomies?
It depends on how deep the birth control mandate covers. When they were talking about combining hospitals here with a Catholic hospital, they were going to get rid of hysterectomies along with abortions because it's a form of birth control.
Posted on 6/30/14 at 11:38 am to Duke
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What if a Jehova's Witness founds a company and decides they shouldn't pay for blood transfusions. Another decides vaccinations are against their religion. Should that be held to the same standard of the more mainstream Christian view on birth control?
Are they using slaves for labor in the above company or are people willfully employeed?
Posted on 6/30/14 at 11:39 am to the808bass
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Even Catholic institutions' health plans cover things like this for "medical necessity."
Some may but all do not. My former insurance/employer did not cover birth control even if for medical necessity.
Posted on 6/30/14 at 11:39 am to CatFan81
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So now Plan B aborts fetuses?
Plan B terminates a pregnancy if it exists. That's why it's called plan B. Because plan A didn't work.
Posted on 6/30/14 at 11:39 am to CatFan81
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Documents filed with the Department of Labor and dated December 2012—three months after the company's owners filed their lawsuit—show that the Hobby Lobby 401(k) employee retirement plan held more than $73 million in mutual funds with investments in companies that produce emergency contraceptive pills, intrauterine devices, and drugs commonly used in abortions. Hobby Lobby makes large matching contributions to this company-sponsored 401(k).
Good god this is stupid.
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