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re: If Adrio Bailey hadn't disappeared for the month of December
Posted on 12/29/18 at 7:25 pm to BoarEd
Posted on 12/29/18 at 7:25 pm to BoarEd
quote:Holy mental gymnastics, Batman!
The game was lost on a missed layup. Mike Anderson has been blamed for that loss by a large number of people on this board. Ergo, it's Mike Anderson's fault that that layup was missed.
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Posted on 12/29/18 at 7:26 pm to Stonehog
quote:How is that explicitly blaming Mike for players missing layups? Are you....are YOU moving goalposts?
You can't be serious. People were quick to put all the blame on Mike for the WKU and Georgia Tech losses. We lost to WKU by one point in which one of our starters didn't score, and multiple people were posting "that's Mike Anderson basketball for you."
Posted on 12/29/18 at 7:30 pm to Drewbie
quote:
Holy mental gymnastics, Batman!
What?!!
It was frickin confimed when someone told me I needed to read a book on Extreme Leadership and that Mike Anderson was indeed to blame for a player missing a game winning layup.
You really don't pay attention to anything do you? You try to tear people's words apart without even gleaning the context of the words. And you can't even do that well.
Posted on 12/29/18 at 7:31 pm to Stonehog
quote:You do realize DVH has consistently gotten grilled for how he handles pitching right?
Imagine if Isaiah Campbell walked in a run and someone said "That's Dave Van Horn baseball for you."
Posted on 12/29/18 at 7:31 pm to Maytheporkbewithyou
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lesser programs in the SEC leapfrog us. Should never happen here. He have dedicated too much money and too many resources to be this mediocre.
it happened over a decade ago, not recently. last half of that claim is bunk too, we were outspent by just about everyone and have been playing catch up until a couple seasons ago.
its beyond dumb that this board cant get over the Fire Mikes for a couple topics to just talk about this teams actual issues. every post is always going to devolve into one of these threads.
everyone is an idiot if they think that players of Baily's caliber is the problem. every SEC team has guys like Adrio. no one is asking him to carry the damn team, just hit some buckets in your 15-20 mins.
Posted on 12/29/18 at 7:32 pm to BoarEd
quote:And you try to take one person's opinion and plaster it across everyone you talk to about the subject. How many times do I have to call it stupid before you get the hint that I fricking agree with you on that point? For frick's sake.
You really don't pay attention to anything do you? You try to tear people's words apart without even gleaning the context of the words. And you can't even do that well.
You two are so out for blood you don't even realize when I'm trying to agree with you about something. Take a fricking breath.
This post was edited on 12/29/18 at 7:41 pm
Posted on 12/29/18 at 7:34 pm to Drewbie
No. I don't. I've been involved in the same goddamn conversation for hours now. We are still having THE SAME GODDAMN CONVERSATION.
Jesus dude. What is it with you?
ITS THE frickING SUBTEXT BEHIND THE LAST THREE PAGES OF CONVERSATION.
Jesus dude. What is it with you?
ITS THE frickING SUBTEXT BEHIND THE LAST THREE PAGES OF CONVERSATION.
This post was edited on 12/29/18 at 7:35 pm
Posted on 12/29/18 at 7:35 pm to BoarEd
quote:No, we aren't.
We are still having THE SAME GODDAMN CONVERSATION.
Posted on 12/29/18 at 7:35 pm to Drewbie
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How is that explicitly blaming Mike for players missing layups?
We lost because one of our starters averaging 11 points a game didn't score a point. The coach was blamed for the loss. It's kind of like blaming a baseball coach when a player misses a pop foul. Need any more hand holding?
Posted on 12/29/18 at 7:37 pm to Stonehog
quote:You can blame a coach for a loss for more than the performance of a player. If the scheme, adjustments, or preparation of the team appeared to be lacking, of course people are going to blame the coach. It only doesn't make sense if everyone agrees that the game was lost on one play then blame the coach anyway.
We lost because one of our starters averaging 11 points a game didn't score a point. The coach was blamed for the loss.
You two are approaching this so narrow-mindedly in order to keep from having the point you're trying to make crumble.
This post was edited on 12/29/18 at 7:39 pm
Posted on 12/29/18 at 7:41 pm to cigsmcgee
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it happened over a decade ago
Yes, but did we not hire Mike to right the ship? How long does he need to reestablish our program?
Either we, as a collective unit, are satisfied with the mediocrity of our BB program or we're not. If most of you don't care then I'll just check out until baseball season. This is getting as tiresome as the GSD.
Posted on 12/29/18 at 7:43 pm to Drewbie
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You two are approaching this so narrow-mindedly in order to keep from having the point you're trying to make crumble.
Players not executing isn't a valid point to make? If you're interviewing a player post-game and he says they lost because they didn't execute, are you going to disagree with him and say he's wrong, that the coach is actually to blame instead?
Posted on 12/29/18 at 7:49 pm to Stonehog
quote:It's contextual. Why aren't they executing? Is it because someone is hogging the ball? Is it because the entire offense is stagnant? Are the shots just not dropping? Are they even running any offense? You're trying to act as if blame can only be assigned in a one-dimensional manner. If the team as a whole looks disorganized and confused, then you have to look at the coach. When it's the fault of a player it's a bit more obvious. Courtney Fortson or when Barford would get into Hero Ball mode are great examples. That's not something you can blame a coach for. This argument is pointless because you're doing nothing but bringing up blanket statements without full context when I know most people that voice opinions on Mike usually provide a reason, I know I do.
Players not executing isn't a valid point to make? If you're interviewing a player post-game and he says they lost because they didn't execute, are you going to disagree with him and say he's wrong, that the coach is actually to blame instead?
This post was edited on 12/29/18 at 7:50 pm
Posted on 12/29/18 at 7:49 pm to Maytheporkbewithyou
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How long does he need to reestablish our program?
we've been one of the best SEC teams over the past few years. we've been in the tournament 3 in the past 4. thats a huge improvement over previous 2 arkansas head bball coaches.
so, if you mean you think arkansas should be a perennial powerhouse, no, Anderson hasnt done that.
dont wanna get into this shite again. i dont care if he stays or goes. i think hes a really good coach whose been ahead of the trend for awhile now, but he has huge deficiencies. MA has been more successful at two other schools, so maybe the problem isnt solely on the coach, who knows.
if you told me we could fire MA and get a guy who would have us in the top 10 on the reg, sign me up. problem is that aint happening.
Posted on 12/29/18 at 7:49 pm to Maytheporkbewithyou
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Either we, as a collective unit, are satisfied with the mediocrity of our BB program or we're not.
Mike Anderson's team isn't mediocre. They are above average by any measure and he has shown an ability to build a team that can go toe-to-toe with anyone in the country.
This team that is about to enter conference play isn't mediocre either. Not by any measure.
Posted on 12/29/18 at 7:51 pm to BoarEd
quote:For the record I don't think they are either. I could see us as a 9 seed.
This team that is about to enter conference play isn't mediocre either. Not by any measure.
Posted on 12/29/18 at 7:54 pm to Drewbie
I would be okay with that.
But I would need to see something better next year. A 5 seed or better.
I've already stated in another thread that this is a Sweet 16 calibre team and I'll be pretty upset if they don't get there this year.
BUT, if he pulls a repeat of the last few years, gets in as a 9 seed, and loses before the round of 16, he will still get next year even though a lot of folks will be hot about it.
He will need to make a big jump next year either way.
But I would need to see something better next year. A 5 seed or better.
I've already stated in another thread that this is a Sweet 16 calibre team and I'll be pretty upset if they don't get there this year.
BUT, if he pulls a repeat of the last few years, gets in as a 9 seed, and loses before the round of 16, he will still get next year even though a lot of folks will be hot about it.
He will need to make a big jump next year either way.
Posted on 12/29/18 at 7:57 pm to BoarEd
quote:I was ready for that jump earlier but I want to see us handle the end of close games better in SEC play before I can commit to this.
I've already stated in another thread that this is a Sweet 16 calibre team and I'll be pretty upset if they don't get there this year.
Posted on 12/29/18 at 7:59 pm to Drewbie
I think they'll get there pretty quick. Wasn't it last year's team that had won like 15 straight one possession games?
For all the flack Anderson gets for his coaching ability, that is an incredible stat.
ETA: Not last year's team, but last cycle of players.
For all the flack Anderson gets for his coaching ability, that is an incredible stat.
ETA: Not last year's team, but last cycle of players.
This post was edited on 12/29/18 at 8:00 pm
Posted on 12/29/18 at 8:00 pm to BoarEd
quote:If Joe and Mason can develop the ability to force scores when they're needed like Macon and Barford could, we can get a stat like that again.
Wasn't it last year's team that had won like 15 straight one possession games?
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