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re: Danielson: OU should have been left out of playoff, I give them a 20% chance to beat Bama
Posted on 12/4/18 at 12:42 pm to CharlotteSooner
Posted on 12/4/18 at 12:42 pm to CharlotteSooner
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Your conference has lost just about every NC game they have played in save two in the last 20+ years....
Your conference can not even make it to the finals in the College Football Playoff....
Your conference is an afterthought in college football....
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Now you just sound like an aggot taking potshots at conferences because you can't formulate logical arguments. What next? Whooooooooop?
Potshots? Tell me which statement is wrong?
By the way, OU won the 2000 NC because of their DEFENSE not their offense....
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Posted on 12/4/18 at 12:43 pm to Bench McElroy
Did not read thread but isn’t Gary Danielson saying OU shouldn’t be in the CFP on par with if Joel Klatt saying Georgia should not be in the playoffs (for example due to having 2 losses)? Strange that it is melting here & I don’t see mentioned on the OU site I frequent.
Posted on 12/4/18 at 12:45 pm to TideFaninFl
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By the way, OU won the 2000 NC because of their DEFENSE not their offense....
That's correct. But we were an air-raid spread offense, like I said. And the pro-style "best Seminole offense of all time" we went up against scored 0 points.
Posted on 12/4/18 at 12:46 pm to CharlotteSooner
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Since the SEC Bell Cow program is now a spread offense juggernaut, the rest of your entire league will swiftly follow suit to keep up. Half of them already are. And once that happens? Bye-bye defensive reputation.
Not many teams in the league run old school power-I/single back football anymore (and haven't for a while). The last vestiges of that went away with Les Miles and Bret Bielema.
However, not much of the SEC runs the Leach tree of the spread. Most either run the Urban/Malzahn version (Florida, Auburn) or run more of a RPO/Pro Style version (Alabama, South Carolina, Kentucky, Missouri). Georgia runs some spread stuff but their base is still 1-back, and Jimbo is probably the most pro-style guy left, but he incorporated some RPO stuff into his normal pro-style. Vanderbilt runs a 1-back pro-style offense. Ole Miss runs the funky Longo system that is probably the closest to the Air Raid.
Nobody really knows what LSU runs. LSU isn't even really sure.
This post was edited on 12/4/18 at 12:48 pm
Posted on 12/4/18 at 12:47 pm to NoMansLand
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Did not read thread but isn’t Gary Danielson saying OU shouldn’t be in the CFP on par with if Joel Klatt saying Georgia should not be in the playoffs (for example due to having 2 losses)?
No it's not. One of those teams is a conference champion, the other is a 2 loss team with a blowout on it's resume, and not a conference champion. Those are two very different things.
Posted on 12/4/18 at 12:48 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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However, not much of the SEC runs the Leach tree of the spread.
Nobody else does either, outside of Lubbock and Pullman.
Posted on 12/4/18 at 12:54 pm to CharlotteSooner
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No it's not. One of those teams is a conference champion, the other is a 2 loss team with a blowout on it's resume, and not a conference champion. Those are two very different things.
You missed the point, Klatt did not say this but no one should get their panties in a wad over what virtual a “conference spokesman” says. It’s like if GD says Tua is twice as good as Kyler AFTER the trophy presentation. Who gives AF?
Posted on 12/4/18 at 12:56 pm to NoMansLand
I don't disagree. Most talking bobble head dolls on television aren't worth listening too anymore as it is. I'm not even sure why College Gameday is still a thing. It's entirely unwatchable.
Posted on 12/4/18 at 1:13 pm to CharlotteSooner
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You were a spread offense LAST year, dumbass.
lolwut
Posted on 12/4/18 at 1:22 pm to CharlotteSooner
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Nobody else does either, outside of Lubbock and Pullman.
False
Posted on 12/4/18 at 1:24 pm to CapstoneGrad06
Who would that be?
Posted on 12/4/18 at 1:27 pm to DawgsLife
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Georgia put up a more points on Oklahoma than any BIG 12 team did this year or last except for West Virginia this year. And, I will say it again....offense was not our strength last year. We were good, though.
Why does UGA get credit for putting up 50+ pts on OUs bad defense less than a year ago, but OU gets NO credit for putting nearly 50 pts and over 500 yards on UGAs defense who was the best defense the SEC had last year? Why do you guys only look at one side of the argument? OU also hammered a top tier auburn defense the year before...the offense this year is actually BETTER than last years.
Posted on 12/4/18 at 1:35 pm to Boomer00
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OU gets NO credit for putting nearly 50 pts and over 500 yards on UGAs defense who was the best defense the SEC had last year?
OU gets tons of credit for that.
Have you been reading what Alabama people have been saying? We fully expect Oklahoma to score a bunch of points against us. Your offense is incredible.
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top tier auburn defense the year before
Eh, that one you get less credit for. The 2016 Auburn defense smothered bad offenses and got lit up by good ones.
- 29 pts, 478 yards to A&M
- 29 pts, 570 yards to Ole Miss
- 30 pts, 501 yards to Alabama (an offense that was in a free fall)
- 35 pts, 524 yards to Oklahoma
This post was edited on 12/4/18 at 1:36 pm
Posted on 12/4/18 at 2:11 pm to Boomer00
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Why does UGA get credit for putting up 50+ pts on OUs bad defense less than a year ago, but OU gets NO credit for putting nearly 50 pts and over 500 yards on UGAs defense who was the best defense the SEC had last year? Why do you guys only look at one side of the argument? OU also hammered a top tier auburn defense the year before...the offense this year is actually BETTER than last years
OU scored 1 TD against UGA in the second half of the Rose Bowl (including the overtime).
The similarity of their collapse and the UGA SECCG collapse are ironic.
It wasn't as if they had unfettered success. They were figured out.
Posted on 12/4/18 at 2:16 pm to Krampus
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He's an insufferable a-hole, but he's not wrong.
He's probably not wrong about UGA being better. He's totally wrong about what the committee should have done.
This UGA team has looked highly-impressive for about 3 weeks. Don't get me wrong, they're pretty good (especially lately), but I don't think many of us think they're at last year's level. They didn't have any truly impressive wins. They played their best game of the year against Alabama's worst and still lost despite having a 14 point lead. It's a bizarre metric to use to support their inclusion.
Games have to have meaning. UGA was in a play in game and gave it a really good shot, coming up just short. What happened after that with the CFP selection makes all the sense in the world.
Posted on 12/4/18 at 2:29 pm to Pettifogger
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but I don't think many of us think they're at last year's level.
You are right. we aren't as good as last year.
quote:Maybe, but can you name me which team that amde the playoffs would have done as well? I mean the rest of the playoff teams beat a
They played their best game of the year against Alabama's worst and still lost despite having a 14 point lead. It's a bizarre metric to use to support their inclusion.
6 loss Pitt team
4 loss Texas team
and was idle
Which do you think would have played Alabama as close?
That said, I would not have put Georgia into the playoffs, but would you say the other conference championship games were a strong metric to get the other teams in?
Posted on 12/4/18 at 3:35 pm to DawgsLife
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Maybe, but can you name me which team that amde the playoffs would have done as well? I mean the rest of the playoff teams beat a
Probably not, although we'll find out. But hypothetically, if UGA and Alabama were to play again in the first round of the playoffs, I wouldn't be particularly surprised if Alabama beat UGA by a couple scores without any drama this time. Sure, UGA could close the deal too, but my personal belief is that UGA is more likely to revert to the very-good-if-not-elite performances they've been putting in most of the year, and Alabama is more likely to revert to the crushing, dominant performances they've put in.
If some UGA fans wants to argue that the first three quarters of the Alabama game are who they are at this point, it's a fair argument, but putting them in the CFP just requires us to put a ton of faith in one part of one game, and I personally wouldn't be willing to do it. Some of my feelings on UGA are out of their control, it's not your fault Auburn isn't any good, Tennessee still sucks and Florida is probably a pretty overrated #10. That combined with the absence of any big time OOC wins left you guys without the resume to overcome the Oklahoma argument, IMO. In other years, if say you'd beaten a pretty good Auburn team 27-10, trounced Tech and then put in that performance against #1, I might have thought that enough to overcome the loss differential.
As for conference championship games, I don't put huge stock in them. That said, I think it makes sense for a team with a better overall record who knocks off a top 15 team in a major conference championship game to jump a team that just lost their major conference championship game.
Posted on 12/4/18 at 3:43 pm to Bench McElroy
Im 100% sure Oklahoma has a 0% chance of beating bama. frick danielson. he is a dumb arse.
Posted on 12/4/18 at 3:46 pm to Pettifogger
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I wouldn't be particularly surprised if Alabama beat UGA by a couple scores without any drama this time.
They do have a history of doing that to other schools, so it isn't too far fetched.
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If some UGA fans wants to argue that the first three quarters of the Alabama game are who they are at this point, it's a fair argument,
Maybe. If they do it is based on last years results, too, though. And there is a certain amount of merit to it. I mean, we have been recruiting well, and playing better the last 2-3 years. We'll have abetter understanding next year, though.
quote:Maybe. And maybe Kentucky is, too. But then if you go down that road, don't you have to consider that other ranked teams might be overrated? I mean, what makes Clemsn's resume better than Georgia's? Or Oklahoma's for that matter?
Florida is probably a pretty overrated #10.
quote:Maybe you misunderstand me? I wouldn't argue that we deserved to be in the playoffs. We lost two games. my argument would be if any of the other playoff teams had played Alabama last weekend, they would have 2 losses, too. (Obviously not ND, since they are undefeated, but if the committee punished the BIG 12 for not playing in a conference championship game a few years ago, why does ND get a pass?
I might have thought that enough to overcome the loss differential.
quote:I agree. But is Texas really a #15 team? I mean, they lost to Maryland (5-7) and Oklahoma State (6-6)
As for conference championship games, I don't put huge stock in them. That said, I think it makes sense for a team with a better overall record who knocks off a top 15 team in a major conference championship game to jump a team that just lost their major conference championship game.
Posted on 12/4/18 at 4:09 pm to DawgsLife
I know you're not arguing in favor of it, I'm just outlining why I disagree with Danielson.
On your point about how overrated Oklahoma, etc.'s opponents are, I think it's valid. The difference is that I'm slotting UGA behind Oklahoma for the loss, so in my thinking they need to overcome Oklahoma's record in a significant way. With no OOC conquests and an arguably weaker SEC, I think UGA had less to work with in arguing that 2 losses+resume should be > than 1 loss + resume.
On your point about how overrated Oklahoma, etc.'s opponents are, I think it's valid. The difference is that I'm slotting UGA behind Oklahoma for the loss, so in my thinking they need to overcome Oklahoma's record in a significant way. With no OOC conquests and an arguably weaker SEC, I think UGA had less to work with in arguing that 2 losses+resume should be > than 1 loss + resume.
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