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re: Alabama players prayed with/for our president
Posted on 4/12/18 at 1:23 am to Globetrotter747
Posted on 4/12/18 at 1:23 am to Globetrotter747
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Prayer is man’s greatest delusion. It’s only power is as a placebo.
“Two hands hard at work are worth a thousand clasped in prayer.
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Posted on 4/12/18 at 1:28 am to MullenBoys
Btw, the gun control garbage is typical of a bandaid approach to an issue. Lets not reason what is wrong, lets blame someone.
Education typical. We spend more money on education while asian kids or other kids from poor countries go to school sitting on dirt. Yet they run circles around us. But don't blame our education system, lets blame the fact we are not throwing enough money at a failed system. Sound familiar?
You can ban all guns until only the bad guys have them which is the case. Bad guys don't register guns, they buy them on the street stolen or smuggled across the border. Education - we can add 6 million dollars in education for every child and get the same results. If parents don't press their kids to do better etc then wasted money.
Education typical. We spend more money on education while asian kids or other kids from poor countries go to school sitting on dirt. Yet they run circles around us. But don't blame our education system, lets blame the fact we are not throwing enough money at a failed system. Sound familiar?
You can ban all guns until only the bad guys have them which is the case. Bad guys don't register guns, they buy them on the street stolen or smuggled across the border. Education - we can add 6 million dollars in education for every child and get the same results. If parents don't press their kids to do better etc then wasted money.
Posted on 4/12/18 at 1:34 am to Globetrotter747
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Prayer is man’s greatest delusion. It’s only power is as a placebo.
“Two hands hard at work are worth a thousand clasped in prayer.
Crikey, it's a republican sky screamer!
Posted on 4/12/18 at 1:53 am to MullenBoys
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I'm simply asking why now?
Because social media and news outlets have made it so that you become infamous because they plaster your name and picture on every article.
But go ahead and think it’s because “God was taken out of schools”
Posted on 4/12/18 at 6:44 am to DawgsLife
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That is why science is fluid and changes. Because as we gain knowledge... what we thought we knew to be truth becomes laughable. 100 years ago atoms were a theory. You couldn't see them. you couldn't prove them.
We look at how surgery was performed 200 years ago and we laugh at the archaic butchery of it. 200 years from today they will be laughing at how we perform surgery and the archaic butchery of it.
Yes, science does change and evolve as we learn more. However, we don't throw the baby out with the bath water. Just because it was wrong about a small portion of some theory, doesn't mean the whole theory was wrong.
As I'm sure you know, Nebraska Man was never fully accepted by the scientific community, and the proposed new species was retracted in about 5 years. But, there is literally more evidence for evolution than there is for gravity. It's in the fossil record, it's in the dna record, it's in the embryonic record, and the list goes on. Yet, you latch onto one over-zealous scientist's incorrect claim about ONE fossil as evidence that science is wrong. It HAS been wrong about things, but it steadily marches toward truth with each new piece of evidence that gets added to the puzzle.
There are many things that science now knows with certainty - evolution happened and is happening, the earth revolves around the sun, water is made up of two hydrogen molecules and one oxygen molecule, bats are not birds. Those things aren't changing. We will learn details that we didn't know before, but some things we know are true. And we know them because of the process of science.
This post was edited on 4/12/18 at 6:45 am
Posted on 4/12/18 at 6:59 am to MullenBoys
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This is like that grey area I love to see people say about everything when it comes to right and wrong. "Who is to say cheating on your spouse is wrong?" Or "Who is to say killing a baby at 12 weeks old is wrong?"
I believe morality is an extension of our recognition that we are social animals and better off pooling our resources within the framework of a society than every man fending for himself. And without basic laws against things like theft, murder, etc., society would fall apart.
People talk about God and right and wrong, but I don’t ever see God enforcing anything. The world has gradually become more civilized not because of God but our maturity as a species. We still have a long ways to go, but we’re better than we used to be.
Posted on 4/12/18 at 7:22 am to hawgfaninc
As is their right.
Posted on 4/12/18 at 8:22 am to AshLSU
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Uh, it’s in the Bible. The Bible is “supposedly” the word of god. If it’s in there, it’s there because he wanted it to be in there (according to the belief).
You do realize that the Old Testament was written for and to the Jews and is used primarily for context and history, while the New Testament is directed to Christians.
quote:And your complete lack of understanding of the Bible is showing through. While God inspired this to be in His Word, it was directed as context and history and not directed to be followed as such by Christians. Historical records of what the Jews did is completely different than what god directs Christians to do. The new Testament is what you should stick to for God's direction to Christians. I've never fully understood why so many people do not understand that the New Testament came into existence only after Jesus' birth, and one could not be considered or called Christian until after Jesus' death and resurrection.
So if you are going to now argue that these things that are in the Bible as direct commands from god are “out there by man” because it is just something you don’t feel like following or lack the conviction to follow, then you have just killed any credibility you have as a Christian.
To say or even insinuate that God called on Christians to do what the Jews followed in the Old Testament is to display a complete lack of understanding of the Bible and Christianity.
Posted on 4/12/18 at 8:35 am to DawgsLife
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To say or even insinuate that God called on Christians to do what the Jews followed in the Old Testament is to display a complete lack of understanding of the Bible and Christianity.
"Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil"
Matthew 5:17
This post was edited on 4/12/18 at 8:38 am
Posted on 4/12/18 at 8:42 am to Teague
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"Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil" Matthew 5:17
Yes, Christ came to fulfil the promise. He paid the obligation so that the old laws were not needed anymore.
2 Corinthians 3:6
6 He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant—not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life
Posted on 4/12/18 at 8:45 am to Vecchio Cane
That's what I love about the bible. Because it was written by a bunch of Joes over the course of a few hundred years, there are enough contradictions to validate or disprove whatever you want.
Posted on 4/12/18 at 8:47 am to Teague
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That's what I love about the bible. Because it was written by a bunch of Joes over the course of a few hundred years, there are enough contradictions to validate or disprove whatever you want.
Every book is that way if you pick and choose which passages or sentences you want to use
Posted on 4/12/18 at 8:51 am to Vecchio Cane
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Every book is that way if you pick and choose which passages or sentences you want to use
But, I'm sure you know that the books of the bible retell the same story. Yet, there are many, many contradictions from one infallible book to the next. For example, can you tell me who carried Jesus' cross?
Posted on 4/12/18 at 8:58 am to Teague
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For example, can you tell me who carried Jesus' cross?
Jesus carried the cross, until He fell. I think 3 of the Gospels state that another man was ordered by the soldiers to pick up the cross for Him. John doesn't mention it. Is that a contradiction? It has zero bearing on the significance of the crucifixion
Posted on 4/12/18 at 9:10 am to Vecchio Cane
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Jesus carried the cross, until He fell. I think 3 of the Gospels state that another man was ordered by the soldiers to pick up the cross for Him. John doesn't mention it. Is that a contradiction? It has zero bearing on the significance of the crucifixion
We're not talking about the significance of the crucifixion. We're talking about contradictions in the infallible word of God.
In Mark, Simon of Cyrene carried the cross. Not after Jesus fell, but from the beginning.
In John, Jesus carried the cross.
Does it change the plot? Not really, but it is a contradiction and something you wouldn't think God's inspired word would forget.
I can list dozens of these (not because I've found them myself, but because it's common knowledge for those who seek). So, yes, there are many contradictions in the bible.
Who has seen the face of god?
What time was Jesus crucified?
What were his last words?
Did Mary and Joseph flee to Egypt?
The list goes on and on. There's no need to debate it. It's exactly like the bible is a bunch of rehashed stories told by normal men.
This post was edited on 4/12/18 at 9:12 am
Posted on 4/12/18 at 9:13 am to Teague
Teague, the Gospels are simply the view of Jesus' life from the perspective of 4 different men, and on top of that, most of the written portion was piecemealed together by scholars after the deaths on the apostles. The book of Acts and the letters of Paul are all actually older than the Gospels.
All this said, if you gather 4 people to give their separate version of something that transpired over a number of years, there's no way that their accounts wouldn't have some differences. There are a ton of things mentioned(and omitted) in one book that's not mentioned in the others. Even the actual words that Jesus spoke (i.e. Sermon on the Mount) have different wording...the important thing is that they tell the same story!
What should "interest" you is what all these men went through and how they died because they refused to disavow Jesus as the Messiah...I've yet to hear that explained.
All this said, if you gather 4 people to give their separate version of something that transpired over a number of years, there's no way that their accounts wouldn't have some differences. There are a ton of things mentioned(and omitted) in one book that's not mentioned in the others. Even the actual words that Jesus spoke (i.e. Sermon on the Mount) have different wording...the important thing is that they tell the same story!
What should "interest" you is what all these men went through and how they died because they refused to disavow Jesus as the Messiah...I've yet to hear that explained.
This post was edited on 4/12/18 at 9:19 am
Posted on 4/12/18 at 9:17 am to Teague
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In Mark, Simon of Cyrene carried the cross. Not after Jesus fell, but from the beginning
Nope. It just says that Simon was passing by and was forced to carry.
Contradiction isn't the right term. The accounts don't oppose each other
Posted on 4/12/18 at 9:21 am to coachcrisp
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the Gospels are simply the view of Jesus' life from the perspective of 4 different men, and on top of that, most of the written portion was piecemealed together by scholars after the deaths on the apostles.
Yes. It's a story written by men. And, if you actually read them in the order they were written, they get more fantastical with each retelling. A little disconcerting if we're talking about a book to rule all humanity. Par for the course if we're just talking about how myths are born.
Posted on 4/12/18 at 9:25 am to Vecchio Cane
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Nope. It just says that Simon was passing by and was forced to carry.
Contradiction isn't the right term. The accounts don't oppose each other
16 Then the soldiers led Him away into the hall called Praetorium, and they called together the whole garrison. 17 And they clothed Him with purple; and they twisted a crown of thorns, put it on His head, 18 and began to salute Him, “Hail, King of the Jews!” 19 Then they struck Him on the head with a reed and spat on Him; and bowing the knee, they worshiped Him. 20 And when they had mocked Him, they took the purple off Him, put His own clothes on Him, and led Him out to crucify Him.
The King on a Cross
21 Then they compelled a certain man, Simon a Cyrenian, the father of Alexander and Rufus, as he was coming out of the country and passing by, to bear His cross. 22 And they brought Him to the place Golgotha, which is translated, Place of a Skull. 23 Then they gave Him wine mingled with myrrh to drink, but He did not take it. 24 And when they crucified Him, they divided His garments, casting lots for them to determine what every man should take.
25 Now it was the third hour, and they crucified Him.
Who carried the cross?
Posted on 4/12/18 at 9:32 am to Globetrotter747
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Explain to me why 150 years ago this country was so bad off that it was engaged in a Civil War in which millions died. Explain to me why just 50 years ago black people faced harsh discrimination and couldn’t vote and go to the same schools as white people?
Are you saying a basic value for life and morals are better or even as good today as they were 150 years ago? Things were not great or even good 150 years ago. They never have been and they never will be. But if your argument is things are as good or better morally than they were 150 years ago, there might be an awful lot of people that would argue that point with you.
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