re: Alabama players prayed with/for our president

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Is this where you demonstrate your misunderstanding of what a scientific theory and "evidence" is? I know you're not going to change your mind. But, I'd suggest that you read some books that aren't just meant to confirm your beliefs.


And I would suggest the same, on both statements.

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I would be more specific and suggest that he especially read some books on the topic of intelligent design.

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This is just selfish as hell. What you think is true doesn’t mean someone else finds the same “belief” in truth. That’s the problem with religion: it’s very close minded.

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And since when is being "closed minded" a bad thing? Tell me you're not closed minded about a helluva lot of things, and I'll give you 1,000 examples proving you to be a liar. I'll just start with Adolph Hitler and Jerry Sandusky...you can see how easily I can come up with the other 998.

So they prayed for The devil. Let me know how that works out.

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There is literally nothing convenient about the Christianity practiced by millions of devout evangelicals.

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When I said “convenient” I meant the religion closest to them. People raised by adherents to Religion A in a society that largely practices Religion A (with little exposure to Religions B, C, D, etc.) are almost certainly going to adopt Religion A. You see it everywhere in the world.

I was recently in the UAE and there were Muslims everywhere. Women wearing burkas and all that jazz. To think that the beliefs of the American Christian, the Middle Eastern Muslim, the Indian Hindu, etc., have much of anything to do with anything but culture is naive, IMO.

It’s ridiculous thinking that some all-wise, benevolent deity dangles us all over hellfire and whether you pick the “right religion” mostly boils down to something as superficial as what family or culture you’re born into.

Religion is absurd.

The world has always had wicked people. Here is where you are wrong though.

The wars of yesterday have been because of beasts like Hitler, disctators and communism forcing their will on people who just want freedom and to be left alone.

As far as the civil war goes, in the bigger scheme of things, slavery was just wrong.

You are twisting facts to fit your needs. We all hate war, and sometimes people go to war for a just cause. The question is, why and who do we war against? Peaceful nations rarely seem to be at war unless needed.

Back to the civil war as you pointed out. Many killed and I've never been convinced it was solely to abolish slavery, but if so, it was just.

Bad people are in every nation, including our own. But that has little to do with what I stated.

Holy shite. TLDR can't begin to explain this thread

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Ash, you know we get along well but you are way over zealous on boards when it comes to attacks on God. Let's stick with the original topic of not letting politics get in the way of a Whitehouse visit.

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I’m not attacking it. I have always said people can believe whatever they want to believe in.

I’ve also never said there wasn’t a possibility of a creator. There could be a higher being that set what we call our universe into motion.

I also believe that it is entirely possible that there isn’t a creator. That’s why I consider myself to be agnostic.

My only issue I take with religion is when people demand that others also follow their religion or religious beliefs. There has been a shite ton of violence and murders throughout history in the name of religion (all religion, not just Christianity).


If your beliefs make you a better person, then I’m all for it regardless if you believe in Jesus or worship your own turds.

I simply explain the reasons I don’t believe in human religions. The best guest flaw I see in human religions is that they all put humanity as the center of the universe and the pinnacle of existence. It is a mathematically high improbability that humans are the only intelligent life forms in the universe nor are we likely the first or oldest. Simply put, the universe was not created solely for humans. We are not alone in the universe. Now I’m not saying aliens are visiting earth. I highly doubt they have and probably never will. The universe is extremely vast. So vast that it is beyond human comprehension. Traveling to other planets around other stars takes an extraordinary amount of energy. If there is a way to do it, it is likely that most intelligent life forms frick up somehow and wipe themselves out before making the scientific advancement to be able to travel those distances.

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Bullying? Lmao, that's been going on in school for decades. Don't try that shite on me. It's the excuse of left leaning anti God fearing people who keep back tracking trying to make sense of it all. Once we lost God's law we lost our country. I know Ash will now chime in because I trier to keep the thread on topic but I am amazed how small some people's ability to think are.

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So because something has gone on for years it should be considered “ok”?

Slavery has gone on for thousands of years. Should we just be ok with it?

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So because something has gone on for years it should be considered “ok”?

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No, as I stated , bullying has been going on for decades. The question is why now all the school shootings? It never happened when I grew up and every kid on the block had a gun or hunted. I'm simply asking why now? What changed? You can't answer that , but yes you could if you reached deep inside.