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re: Herbstreit on HUNH: "Look for more fake injuries"
Posted on 8/27/13 at 5:01 pm to WDE24
Posted on 8/27/13 at 5:01 pm to WDE24
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The football rules book reads: "Feigning an injury for any reason is unethical. An injured player must be given full protection under the rules, but feigning injury is dishonest, unsportsmanlike, and contrary to the spirit of the rules. Such tactics cannot be tolerated among sportsmen of integrity."
Cal defensive line coach Tosh Lupoi was suspended for one game in 2010 for instructing a player to fake an injury to slow down Oregon's offense.
Still doesn't mean that it's illegal.
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Posted on 8/27/13 at 5:01 pm to cardboardboxer
Well said
Posted on 8/27/13 at 5:05 pm to USMC Gators
Rule book addresses it and league hands down punishment. That makes it arguably illegal.
Posted on 8/27/13 at 5:16 pm to WDE24
Like I said before hold all injured players that the refs have to take a timeout for them to get off the field out until the next series.
It gives the "worried about saftey" coaches time to make sure their players aren't hurt bad.
It protects the players.
Forces unethical coaches to run out of players to fake injuries with or have to play lesser guys to fake the injuries. Which give the defense a possible weak point each play.
It gives the "worried about saftey" coaches time to make sure their players aren't hurt bad.
It protects the players.
Forces unethical coaches to run out of players to fake injuries with or have to play lesser guys to fake the injuries. Which give the defense a possible weak point each play.
This post was edited on 8/27/13 at 5:18 pm
Posted on 8/27/13 at 5:20 pm to WDE24
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Rule book addresses it and league hands down punishment. That makes it arguably illegal.
If you use a Mickey Mouse offense, expect a Mickey Mouse response from opposing defenses.
Posted on 8/27/13 at 5:27 pm to USMC Gators
quote:If you can't play ethically. Don't get on the field. The game was designed around the offense controlling the clock. If the offensive players can run around that much then the defense can too. They are in better shape on the line. It was posted of one these thread showing more player got hurt playing BB slow offense than Oregon's offense.
If you use a Mickey Mouse offense, expect a Mickey Mouse response from opposing defenses.
This post was edited on 8/27/13 at 5:32 pm
Posted on 8/27/13 at 5:27 pm to USMC Gators
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If you use a Mickey Mouse offense
Our Mickey Mouse offense will out rush your goofy arse offense.
Posted on 8/27/13 at 5:40 pm to RockyMtnTigerWDE
"Excessive Speed Penalty.....Offense. 5 yard penalty. Repeat 2nd down."
Do you morons realize just how stupid that sounds.
Do you morons realize just how stupid that sounds.
Posted on 8/27/13 at 5:44 pm to cardboardboxer
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its seeing what monster on the field isn't keeping up with your slot WR that day and smoking his arse
Defenses will start getting smaller and faster. Then a Trent Richardson or EL will literally eat them as they run. I can't wait for that.
Posted on 8/27/13 at 5:46 pm to TbirdSpur2010
I feel for our SEC brethren. We went through the same process in the Leach era.
Posted on 8/27/13 at 6:02 pm to ReauxlTide222
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Defenses will start getting smaller and faster.
Exactly. After a while the SEC becomes like the Big 12.
HUNH is like a virus that is spreading across football for good reasons.
Posted on 8/27/13 at 6:19 pm to RollTide1987
I like the idea of making a guy who is "hurt" have to come out for an extended period of time (like say 3 minutes of game time)
There will still be fake injuries among the lesser players but it really is unsportsmanlike to try to win in this fashion
There will still be fake injuries among the lesser players but it really is unsportsmanlike to try to win in this fashion
Posted on 8/27/13 at 6:21 pm to sugatowng
quote:tBeacon will not partake in this deceitful and shameful tactic.
2Beez is no actor
Posted on 8/27/13 at 6:22 pm to cardboardboxer
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Exactly. After a while the SEC becomes like the Big 12.
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HUNH is like a virus that is spreading across football for good reasons
I can't tell if you're being sarcastic. What in your post is a good thing?
Posted on 8/27/13 at 6:26 pm to molsusports
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There will still be fake injuries among the lesser players but it really is unsportsmanlike to try to win in this fashion
I've never played football so this might be ignorant but isn't ok to come out of a game if you're tired as shite? I see guys looking at their sideline and out a hand up to signify they need to come out. Why can't a defense substitute tired players?
If that was ridiculous just ignore it
Posted on 8/27/13 at 6:36 pm to ReauxlTide222
Its a matter of perspective.
Bama Or a Bama fan (or a fan of any traditional helmet team) innately doesn't like the spread and HUNH because its unpredictable. With old style football, you recruit the best players, coach them with the best coaches money can buy, and win. Game after game. Top recruits only go to top programs so the future is almost guaranteed.
For me, as a fan of a non-elite program I love a modern offence because its unpredictable. All it takes is a few mistakes due to the speed and suddenly the Nick Saban's of the world lose a game or two. Then the guarantee is gone, and its like the caste system in India failing.
The public obviously likes it. More exciting games and a chance their non-elite program can compete.
And the long term effects are great. You see it in Texas. High schools put freaks on offense and not defense, and then they are willing to go to a Baylor or Oregon because they don't need the entire line to be good to make the NFL- alone in space on the offense they can shine.
That leads to even better offensive teams, more shootouts, less predictability. Maybe eventually after D4 thins the herd some college football has real parity.
I like that idea, but then I was using Mike Leachs playbook on PlayStation NCAA in the mid 2000s.
Bama Or a Bama fan (or a fan of any traditional helmet team) innately doesn't like the spread and HUNH because its unpredictable. With old style football, you recruit the best players, coach them with the best coaches money can buy, and win. Game after game. Top recruits only go to top programs so the future is almost guaranteed.
For me, as a fan of a non-elite program I love a modern offence because its unpredictable. All it takes is a few mistakes due to the speed and suddenly the Nick Saban's of the world lose a game or two. Then the guarantee is gone, and its like the caste system in India failing.
The public obviously likes it. More exciting games and a chance their non-elite program can compete.
And the long term effects are great. You see it in Texas. High schools put freaks on offense and not defense, and then they are willing to go to a Baylor or Oregon because they don't need the entire line to be good to make the NFL- alone in space on the offense they can shine.
That leads to even better offensive teams, more shootouts, less predictability. Maybe eventually after D4 thins the herd some college football has real parity.
I like that idea, but then I was using Mike Leachs playbook on PlayStation NCAA in the mid 2000s.
Posted on 8/27/13 at 6:39 pm to ReauxlTide222
They can leave if they are tired. What some people aren't addressing here is that it take way more effort and energy to play defense and react than to play offense. This is a fact in all sports other than maybe baseball.
I just think its a gimmick offense and that's my opinion. You don't have to like it or slam me for it. I would rather watch a game from the 70s than a 55-56 game nowadays. It gets boring and just depends who gets the ball last. I want to see momentum swings and big hits. Not flag football. Then all the auburn fans came in protested what I said when I never mentioned them by name. Claiming they run a power running game.
I just think its a gimmick offense and that's my opinion. You don't have to like it or slam me for it. I would rather watch a game from the 70s than a 55-56 game nowadays. It gets boring and just depends who gets the ball last. I want to see momentum swings and big hits. Not flag football. Then all the auburn fans came in protested what I said when I never mentioned them by name. Claiming they run a power running game.
Posted on 8/27/13 at 6:43 pm to ReauxlTide222
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There will still be fake injuries among the lesser players but it really is unsportsmanlike to try to win in this fashion
I've never played football so this might be ignorant but isn't ok to come out of a game if you're tired as shite? I see guys looking at their sideline and out a hand up to signify they need to come out. Why can't a defense substitute tired players?
the offense IMO is allowed to dictate the pace of the game because they are on offense and a defense is reactive by definition.
A defense can substitute any time they like provided they are fast enough with the switch to avoid being caught with too many men on the field when the ball is snapped (and it is a little different if the offense makes substitutions - in that case the defense is entitled to an additional 20 seconds to make substitutions of their own)
Posted on 8/27/13 at 6:54 pm to ReauxlTide222
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There will still be fake injuries among the lesser players but it really is unsportsmanlike to try to win in this fashion
I've never played football so this might be ignorant but isn't ok to come out of a game if you're tired as shite? I see guys looking at their sideline and out a hand up to signify they need to come out. Why can't a defense substitute tired players?
the offense IMO is allowed to dictate the pace of the game because they are on offense and a defense is reactive by definition.
A defense can substitute any time they like provided they are fast enough with the switch to avoid being caught with too many men on the field when the ball is snapped (and it is a little different if the offense makes substitutions - in that case the defense is entitled to an additional 20 seconds to make substitutions of their own)
Posted on 8/27/13 at 7:00 pm to MFn GIMP
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Should players who get dinged and can't hobble to the sideline before the HUNH teams snap the ball be allowed to fall to the ground so that they can actually get off the field?
I still think the "faking injuries" is more similar to my scenario than players actually faking injuries.
I think this is a legitimate point, but I'm not sure what can be done about it.
To address the debate on the HUNH, I don't really care if teams use it. I don't necessarily like it, but there's nothing illegal about it. The scheme acts as a sort of talent equalizer, so I understand why some lesser recruiting teams like it.
The best way to defend it is not faking injuries. You destroy it by dominating up front with superior talent, messing up the timing, and forcing three-and-outs. This tires out their defense because they're on the field constantly and keeps your defense from tiring out.
Ultimately, to win at the highest level, you need to be able to win up front and with talent, regardless of scheme. AU's 2010 offense was successful because they had a great, veteran o-line along with one of the greatest college players of this generation. A&M's offense was successful because Joeckel and Matthews could control the line of scrimmage and allow Manziel to operate.
HUNH vs. Pro-style is a matter of preference. I prefer the modern pro-style because is the most attractive scheme with great talent. I think UGA's offense is the most awesome to watch in the conference when it's clicking. I think when the really talented teams use a HUNH, it sort of allows a lesser team to stay in the game against them at times. I think the pro-style, due to it's more physically dominating nature, is more effective in breaking the will of an opponent. Maybe that's just me. It's still football though. The team with the best players will win more often than not.
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