Do you think DeBoer improved not only himself but the program in year two?

Any reasonable fan would have to say he proved himself. A 10-2 record and a spot in the SECCG are commendable. If you'd have told most of us in July that we'd beat all of our rivals and ended up in the CG, most of us would be happy.

Yes. Happy with the progression. Anyone who thought DeBoer or any other coach wouldn’t have a drop off is a retard.

Of course you are going to have a drop off after replacing the GOAT.

Recruiting has been strong. 10 wins and in the conference championship is legit. It hasn’t been perfect this year but Ole Miss just had their best year in what 60 years and still haven’t made a SECCG.

LSU is paid a shite ton for a coach that hasn’t been or won shite.

5-1 against rivals. SECCG #1 seed. 2nd straight great recruiting class.

Last year wasn’t bad either in retrospect if you account for the turmoil and QB situation.

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*I know some say we weren't "supposed" to lose the OU game but they were a legitimate contender this season and not considered a "gimmie" game like last season*

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The OU game last year was a pathetic effort across the board, from the coaches all the way down. DeBoer did not have them prepared whatsoever for that game and we got our shite pushed in from whistle to whistle with everything on the line.

The loss against OU this year sucks for sure. No way should we have lost that game - except for turning the ball over 3x at the most inopportune points in the game. But outside of the turnovers, we dominated OU on the stat sheet. I feel like the coaching staff (outside of the last drive/last 7 minutes of play) had us prepared and in position to win the game this year, but execution on the field just wasn’t there. We had so many chances to put that game away and we just never could get a bounce to go our way.

So yes, I do believe DeBoer and the program have improved from Yr 1 to Yr 2. If Ty was able to maintain his play from the earlier part of the season across the entire schedule, this wouldn’t even be a question. But the offense has noticeably regressed over the month of November.

I’ve always said CKD needs a minimum of three years to truly validate.

I think that still rings true. I think Saban did a good to great job with the team his last year but his coaching staff was getting weak and so was his coaching. He went out at the perfect time.

OL/DL struggles were there for awhile. Losing multiple games with a loaded roster with Bryce Young/Will Anderson Jr. is nothing but a HUGE failure in coaching.

The sad thing is folks don’t ever zoom out wide enough and get caught up in the minutiae.

Some of the “best” hires right now are coaches that haven’t earned anything. I think James Franklin is a “Home Run” for VTech. He can’t beat ranked teams.

Golesh is a “home run” for Auburn but hasn’t won shite.

Lane is a “home run” for LSU but he just leaves whenever it’s convenient for him. He hasn’t been to even a SECCG. Let’s not forget Coach Saban told him to kick rocks and didn’t let him coach a Natl Championship game.

Ryan Day was almost ran out of Columbus after losing 5 straight to Michigan only to turn around and on the verge of back-to-back natties.

Saban for a very long time was almost a perfect coach. There aren’t perfect coaches out there regularly. Everyone is flawed.

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Do you think DeBoer improved not only himself but the program in year two?

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I realized I didn't really answer the question:

Well, he went from 9-4, missing the SECCG, missing the CFP to 10-2, in the SECCG, and CFP berth pending circumstances both in and out of our control depending on SECCG result.

I think there is too much left to be decided to make a full analysis. However, I predicted 9-3 in the preseason and he went 10-2 but with a loss I did not have penciled in on the ledger.

The inability to maintain game control is my continued frustration with this staff. I can't say the players aren't mentally tough because they've gritted out some wins that seemed to be on the razor edge of falling towards defeat. The intangibles are there and that's huge. The execution is the problem. Both on the field and from the play callers. We've had too many moments where a coordinator is telling their players "on me" after a big frick up. We've had too many assignments blown in moments where a massive assignment screw up is the one thing that could get momentum going on the opponent's sideline. We have been both an incredibly clutch and paradoxically anti-clutch team in 2025.

The non-results driven analysis is this is a better team than 2024. They've made more plays in moments where they really need them. 2024 team simply did not. We only had one game where it looked like the players were unprepared for the opponent and it was an opener where the opponent had two new coordinators and a largely new team pulled out of the portal. I think the staff was simply poorly prepared for how FSU was going to deploy what each of their coordinators are known for doing. Not a good excuse but at least it is not perplexing how it happened.

No, not until he stops losing to bad teams.

2024 should have been a 11-1 season with a SEC Championship Game appearance and playoff appearance.

This year should have been a 11-1 season. He did make a SEC Championship Game appearance and the playoffs seem likely.


So far he has not met expectations.

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Anyone who thought DeBoer or any other coach wouldn’t have a drop off is a retard. Of course you are going to have a drop off after replacing the GOAT.

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Fully agree, but you had so many people coming in here screaming that Saban won the league and went to the final four with Milroe at QB in 2023 so that was the expectation for DeBoer, absolutely refusing to accept that if not for the greatest coaching job the GOAT probably ever did and a whole lot of luck including an absolute extract it from our anuses miracle in Auburn, that could easily have been an 8-win team that didn’t even go to Atlanta.

If we fix the running game, we are going to be hellacious in 2026. And fixing it has nothing to do with play calling and schemes. It’s going to take opening the checkbook and hard recruiting to get some elite backs and some athletic linemen.

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In year one we lost three games we shouldn't have (Vandy, OU, Michigan)

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Depends on how good you think we were last year.

I personally don't believe we were as good last year as many other posters might.

We were 32nd in opponent adjusted YPP and 21st in defensive YPP. The defense was far better at 10 than it sometime appeared, but the offense once the book was out on how to stop us was abysmal.

Should we have beaten OU? Probably, but when your QB play collapses beyond a certain point nothing else matters and anything can happen.

The fair question is why we didn't bench Milroe, but I don't think Ty was ready and I'm not sure KD could do it if he wanted to due to team dynamics.

Bottom line, we should be incredibly pleased with 10-2 this year because I just don't think we're anywhere close to where we used to be due to injury and OL issues and are winning with smoke and mirrors mostly at the moment.