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re: List of SEC programs with most 10+ wins that rank among nation's top 20 all-time
Posted on 5/8/24 at 3:41 am to Prof
Posted on 5/8/24 at 3:41 am to Prof
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Not bad considering we took 15 years off and also had an iffy period pre Majors.
It really isnt. Someone at Tennessee angered God or something
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Posted on 5/8/24 at 5:37 am to Clark14
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I’ve heard teams in west division wishing they played in the east, never once heard of an east team wanting to play in the west. Your comparison is laughable.
Uhh, from about 92-04, the East was the premier division.
Posted on 5/8/24 at 6:03 am to JetDawg
I Know LSU lost a couple of 10 win seasons due to not playing the cupcake games because of Hurricanes. They just never got played.
Posted on 5/8/24 at 6:19 am to LSUtigaz020
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I know this is a troll but what makes a team a blue blood? Recent success or long time success? Cause OU hasn’t won shite since 2000
Bluebloods are the teams that have been at the top forever. They're the teams your grandfather remembers. Recency has nothing to do with it. We've been through this enough.
Oklahoma has a fantastic history. They've won their conference 50 times, and that's while spending most of their history in the same conference as Nebraska, who's won their conference 49 times. In comparison, Alabama has won 36 conference championships.
Posted on 5/8/24 at 6:23 am to Scoob
This.
We might be better off to separate blue bloods and nuevo rich.
We might be better off to separate blue bloods and nuevo rich.
Posted on 5/8/24 at 7:08 am to Boomer00
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You cherry picked 2010 and later because the big 12 was very dominant before that. Also OU and Texas have always maintained top SOS. OU has always played Nebraska and Texas yearly who combine for more NCs than the rest of the SEC combined if you don’t count Bama and TN.
So you are making the argument that OU played teams that won a lot of titles, more than the rest of the SEC minus Alabama and Tennessee. How many National title winners have OU played over the years that weren't Texas and Nebraska?
There is also the caveat that back in the day when it was OU, Texas and Nebraska the other 8-9 teams on the regular schedule consisted of 25% of teams with an over all history of losing records and a bunch of patsies who ain't ever been any good like Kansas and Texas Tech. It is easy to play a one game regular season and remain healthy and ready for one bowl game....it is an entirely different undertaking to play a SEC schedule, play in the SEC CG and then win 2 or more games against a quality opponent to win a natty. OU and Texas can do it for certain but the days of lookinig at the schedule in May and only seeing Texas and Nebraska or over....
Posted on 5/8/24 at 7:17 am to Boomer00
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You cherry picked 2010 and later because the big 12 was very dominant before that. Also OU and Texas have always maintained top SOS. OU has always played Nebraska and Texas yearly who combine for more NCs than the rest of the SEC combined if you don’t count Bama and TN.
OU regularly had 2 teams on the schedule that had won a natty and those 2 teams regularly had Oklahoma on the schedule. It was usually a 1-2 game regular season for all 3 of those teams with a bunch of patsies filling out the rest of the year. In the SEC there are 6 teams with multiple national titles who play one another fairly regularly. In most seasons there are 4-5 games on the schedule in the conference where your opponent is as good as anyone in the nation...week in and week out, year after year...it is a different beast.
Posted on 5/8/24 at 7:28 am to bamameister
We grasp the consistent football greatness over the years. But, the end result has come up empty in some of those big years. I wish there were a few titles to go with that success instead of being stuck at 2000 being the last.
Also, I’m not a big fan of the “10+ win” stat anymore. It may have been a better stat to go off of in the 90s and early 2000s. But more games are being played these days plus some of those wins are against FCS programs. I would rather it be “11+ wins” just in case there is an FCS program in there. Programs are out there winning 13-15 games in a season. 10 wins may have been something great long ago but nowadays there are programs winning 10 games but also losing 4 games in the same season.
Also, I’m not a big fan of the “10+ win” stat anymore. It may have been a better stat to go off of in the 90s and early 2000s. But more games are being played these days plus some of those wins are against FCS programs. I would rather it be “11+ wins” just in case there is an FCS program in there. Programs are out there winning 13-15 games in a season. 10 wins may have been something great long ago but nowadays there are programs winning 10 games but also losing 4 games in the same season.
Posted on 5/8/24 at 8:25 am to Boomer00
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You cherry picked 2010 and later because the big 12 was very dominant before that.
Okay. So let’s go back to the inception of the Big 12.
Number of Final AP Top 5 Opponents Played 1995-2023:
46- Alabama, Tennessee
45- Auburn
42- Florida
35- LSU
33- Georgia
27- Oklahoma
25- Texas
Tell me if you can spot the Big 12 teams on that list.
Number of Final AP Top 10 Opponents Played 1995-2023:
76- Florida
75- Auburn, Tennessee
64- Alabama, LSU
58- Georgia
54- Texas
51- Oklahoma
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Also OU and Texas have always maintained top SOS.
How so? Like with actual facts.
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OU has always played Nebraska and Texas yearly who combine for more NCs than the rest of the SEC combined if you don’t count Bama and TN.
What the fresh hell is this cherry picked stat? Also it’s factually incorrect even with its twisted logic.
Posted on 5/8/24 at 8:34 am to AUTiger789
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I’m not a huge fan of the 10+ win stat because it doesn’t factor SOS.
Or the fact that seasons were once 11 and 10 games long. Newer 10+ win seasons are mathematically easier than those prior to 2001 and especially 1970.
Posted on 5/8/24 at 8:40 am to jonnyanony
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Or the fact that seasons were once 11 and 10 games long. Newer 10+ win seasons are mathematically easier than those prior to 2001 and especially 1970.
While this is true, all these teams played back then and now. Some just haven’t had as much success in the last 25 or so years.
Posted on 5/8/24 at 8:43 am to Dawgfanman
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While this is true, all these teams played back then and now. Some just haven’t had as much success in the last 25 or so years.
I'm saying a 10-win season in 1965 is so much more impressive than now when you get up to 4 (and now 5) more games.
And I say that as a fan of a team that didn't win 10 until 1991.
But we had a lot of 9-1 seasons that were more impressive than our 10-4 season in 2015
Posted on 5/8/24 at 8:47 am to AUTiger789
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Boise State
Their fans are worse than UCF. I'm glad they suck arse now.
Posted on 5/8/24 at 8:59 am to RollTide1987
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If you have a bunch of 10+ win seasons in a P5 conference it's a good bet that your SOS was fairly solid.
Some SOS’s are more “solid” than others.
Take Iowa. Kirk Ferentz has racked up two 10-win seasons in the past three seasons. How has Iowa’s schedule compared to Auburn’s for example the past 3 years:
Top 5 opponents played: Iowa 4, Auburn 6
Top 10 opponents played: Iowa 4, Auburn 8
Top 25 opponents played: Iowa 7, Auburn 14
It’s almost like playing in the SEC West is twice as difficult as playing in the Big 10 West. Anyone actually think Iowa would have had a 10-win season the past three years had we traded schedules?
Posted on 5/8/24 at 9:00 am to JetDawg
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Auburn....if you're gonna cry over "what ifs", then you probably have no one else to blame but yourselves. You guys are the ones who wanted the SEC to change up the dates of the Georgia game --- and ruin one of the greatest traditions in Southern football in the process.
You’re a moron if you think the date of a game being played has any effect on an opponents’ final ranking.
Posted on 5/8/24 at 9:12 am to Tornado Alley
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Uhh, from about 92-04, the East was the premier division.
Not necessarily. Your top 2 were stronger for sure, but the East had three bottom feeders (Vandy, Kentucky, and South Carolina) who combined for just 2 total Top 25 finishes during that entire 13-year period. The West’s bottom feeders (OM, State, and Arky) combined for 10 Top 25 finishes in the same time period.
From 1992-2004, both the East and the West produced two National Champions. In terms of Top 25 finishes, the West had 31 compared to the East’s 33…. It was actually quite balanced.
Posted on 5/8/24 at 9:29 am to AUTiger789
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Number of Final AP Top 10 opponents faced since 2010:
46- Auburn
Pretty wild that Bama and UGA account for 23 of those 46...
UA - 14
UGA - 9...
Damn tough row to hoe erry year by AU. Still 1 NC and 1 NC runner up during that time...
Posted on 5/8/24 at 10:08 am to Scoob
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Oklahoma has a fantastic history. They've won their conference 50 times, and that's while spending most of their history in the same conference as Nebraska, who's won their conference 49 times. In comparison, Alabama has won 36 conference championships.
OU also played in a conference with most of the teams being among the teams that lose most often (Kansas, Kansas St, Iowa State, Oklahoma State), while Alabama plays in a conference that has 6 of the top 13 teams in
all time wins (Bama, Tenn, UGA, AU, UF. LSU)
Not trying to diminish OU, but the Big 8 was overall not a tough conference. I think Alabama had over 100 more games against top 20 teams than OU, maybe more.
Posted on 5/8/24 at 10:40 am to JetDawg
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6. Florida, LSU - 15 (tied #15 nationally)
Truly...this is most impressive, since football didn't exist in Florida until 1990.
Posted on 5/8/24 at 11:36 am to dallasga6
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Damn tough row to hoe erry year by AU. Still 1 NC and 1 NC runner up during that time...
We’ve had our ups and downs for sure. I hope we continue to play Bama and UGA every season…. Don’t want to see those historic rivalries ever end.
But I am a bit excited about getting to play a more balanced schedule relative to our SEC piers going forward.
It also seems Auburn plays OOC opponents when they are at their very best.
Since 2002 (all regular season games and Final AP rankings)
2001: #14 Syracuse
2002: #4 USC
2003: #1 USC
2008: #23 W Virginia
2009: #25 W Virginia
2011: #22 Clemson
2012: #11 Clemson
2014: #18 Kansas St
2016: #1 Clemson
2017: #4 Clemson
2018: #13 Washington
2019: #5 Oregon
2022: #7 Penn St
In 13 of the last 23 seasons, we’ve managed to play a ranked OOC regular season opponent on top of the SEC West and Georgia every season…. Just brutal. Those OOC opponents included two eventual national champions.
We played literally the highest ranked Syracuse team of the past 31 years. We just happened to land our series against USC at the height of the Pete Carroll era. We played the second highest rated Kansas State team of the last 21 years. We landed West Virginia during their only streak of consecutive ranked seasons during the last 31 seasons. We played the highest ranked Penn State team of the past 18 years. We landed a series against Clemson during the height of the Dabo years. We somehow landed regular season games in back-to-back seasons against the eventual PAC 12 champ.
It’s just fluky how we always seem to play some of these OOC opponents in their best years.
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