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re: Why does Pete golding get all the blame for Alabama's bad defense last year?

Posted on 8/28/23 at 9:25 pm to
Posted by 1loyalbamafan
alabama
Member since Mar 2015
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Posted on 8/28/23 at 9:25 pm to
He may be an upgrade for Ol'Miss. He can draw it up on the boads but his defense didn't do thethingds a guy thast doesn't know what asparagus even is.......well ...turn loose youe athletes, goshdamit.

dsorry...drunl/.
This post was edited on 8/28/23 at 9:26 pm
Posted by dhuck20
SCLSU Fan
Member since Oct 2012
20465 posts
Posted on 8/28/23 at 9:39 pm to
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He may be an upgrade for Ol'Miss. He can draw it up on the boads but his defense didn't do thethingds a guy thast doesn't know what asparagus even is.......well ...turn loose youe athletes, goshdamit.

dsorry...drunl/.



Posted by RantingRebel
Member since Oct 2017
609 posts
Posted on 8/28/23 at 9:44 pm to
quote:

He may be an upgrade for Ol'Miss. He can draw it up on the boads but his defense didn't do thethingds a guy thast doesn't know what asparagus even is.......well ...turn loose youe athletes, goshdamit. dsorry...drunl/.


The best argument I’ve seen from a bama fan in this thread unfortunately
This post was edited on 8/28/23 at 9:44 pm
Posted by skrayper
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Posted on 8/28/23 at 10:35 pm to
Because he kept taking the best pass rusher in the country and dropping him into coverage.
Posted by Rebbedup
Member since Jun 2021
2874 posts
Posted on 8/28/23 at 10:45 pm to
I’m the same way. I wonder why we hired that guy. I’ve heard Ole Miss people get pumped about having him. I am not at all. But there is always hope. Hope I’m wrong on this one.
Posted by tygerphan
Georgia
Member since Oct 2009
3264 posts
Posted on 8/29/23 at 4:25 am to
quote:

Why do people give Kirby and Pruitt credit for Bama's defense during their tenure?


Maybe because...

Saban in 10 seasons with Kirby or Pruitt as DC: National titles 5, top 5 scoring defense 8 times.

Saban in 16 seasons without Kirby/Pruitt: National titles 2 (1* at bama, 1 at LSU), top 5 scoring defense 1 time (at LSU)?
Posted by RollTide1987
Augusta, GA
Member since Nov 2009
65147 posts
Posted on 8/29/23 at 4:39 am to
quote:

In fairness, Alabama posters insist that Kirby was not the key.


He was not THE key, but he was A key. We have won a further two national championships and have made another three appearances in the CFP National Championship Game since he departed in early 2016.

The key is and always will be Nick Saban. However, he is a human being and therefore is prone to making mistakes. Pete Golding was a mistake.
Posted by Iron Balls McGinty
Member since Jul 2015
312 posts
Posted on 8/29/23 at 4:45 am to
I remember when there was talk of him coming to OU. That said: Golding > Grinch
Posted by bamameister
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Member since May 2016
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Posted on 8/29/23 at 6:41 am to
quote:

Saban in 10 seasons with Kirby or Pruitt as DC: National titles 5, top 5 scoring defense 8 times.

Saban in 16 seasons without Kirby/Pruitt: National titles 2 (1* at bama, 1 at LSU), top 5 scoring defense 1 time (at LSU)?



Nick Saban 4 Kirby Smart 1
Posted by BamaMamaof2
Atlanta, GA
Member since Nov 2019
2402 posts
Posted on 8/29/23 at 6:42 am to
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Because he kept taking the best pass rusher in the country and dropping him into coverage.



That and putting a safety, Hellmans, to cover Hyatt in the Tenn game and wondering why he couldn't. Even an 8 year old knows a safety can't cover a speedy WR.
Posted by Frogman93
Member since Jul 2021
1569 posts
Posted on 8/29/23 at 6:49 am to
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Pour gumbo in your ears if you want to attempt an understanding of how an LSU fan's brain functions.

Don’t you people shoot each other and poison trees? Pot meet kettke
Posted by TouchdownTony
Central Alabama
Member since Apr 2016
9789 posts
Posted on 8/29/23 at 7:15 am to
quote:

Watching Bryce young in Carolina
That dude is terrible


Bryce had his moments at Bama but became wildly inconsistent last season BUT to defend him way too much was put on his shoulders. Bama didn't even try to run the ball and let's be honest, Gibbs wasn't a typical Bama back.

Also, and this is the bigger point. Offense lends to defense. Coach after coach after coach has said that up tempo, high octane offense puts so much pressure on you defense that its impossible to even be good most of the time. Your offense is scoring fast and putting your defense back out there or they go 3 and out and put the defense back out there. Giving your defense a 2:30 rest vs a 6 minute rest is huge. Golding wasn't as bad as most said but he was so complex and Bama spent so little time in practice on defense as compared to other seasons that the players were exhausted and confused. Look at game after game where Bama's D was OWNED in the 4th qtr last year from playing 80,90 plays. Where Saban shoud get the blame was changing what wasn't broken with his offense. Bama gave up 3 long TD's to UT by not being lined up correctly and gave up a 25 yd TD run to LSU's QB by having 6 guys covering 2 on the wrong side of the field due to misalignment. Golding is really going to struggle at Ole Miss but again, most won't be his fault. Lane's style may be the worst in helping out his defense.
This post was edited on 8/29/23 at 7:27 am
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
59008 posts
Posted on 8/29/23 at 7:35 am to
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He was not THE key, but he was A key. We have won a further two national championships and have made another three appearances in the CFP National Championship Game since he departed in early 2016.


I get it, but it takes time for a program to slow down. I mean, a coordinator leaves and they don't just lay down a die.

Personally, I think Saban probably takes a young DC and takes them by the hand and guides them along until thye have a firm grasp. As long as Kirby was DC there, I suspect he had full reign of the defense.

quote:

The key is and always will be Nick Saban.

He is the spark plug, no doubt. He pushes the coordinators and motivates them to work harder and succeed. That said, as we get older a bit of that fire leaves us. I honestly do believe that is at least a small part of what is going on with Saban.

Maybe I am wrong. It's been known to happen.
Posted by bamameister
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Member since May 2016
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Posted on 8/29/23 at 7:46 am to
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Personally, I think Saban probably takes a young DC and takes them by the hand and guides them along until thye have a firm grasp. As long as Kirby was DC there, I suspect he had full reign of the defense.



So did Jeremy Pruitt. And his style was much more simple and aggressive than Smart's. Which has BAMA fans still longing for 2017.

Golding also coached ILBers and you will see a huge improvement in the middle of our defense this season.

Posted by vholley50
Midland City,Al
Member since Nov 2013
266 posts
Posted on 8/29/23 at 8:27 am to
Any offense with a pulse could move the ball on Bama. Way too much of dropping off the linebackers into coverage and no pressure on the QB. The thing that was sickening to watch is that he allowed Tennessee to drop 60 points on us. Who does that?
Posted by CRW
Destrahan
Member since Aug 2016
1109 posts
Posted on 8/29/23 at 9:30 am to
Saban is and allways has been a narcissist.He has never
taken responsibility for poor play on the field.It is
the Players or asst. coaches fault. Anybody who doesn`t
think this is NS`s DEFFENSE is a fool. He was the same way
atLSU and Miami.
Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
25999 posts
Posted on 8/29/23 at 9:52 am to
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The thing that was sickening to watch is that he allowed Tennessee to drop 60 points on us. Who does that?


Nick Saban
Posted by Pickle_Weasel
Member since Mar 2016
3819 posts
Posted on 8/29/23 at 11:30 am to
Golding has done a good job on the recruiting side. Of course, we'll find out what he's able to do on the field over the course of the next few months.
Posted by bamameister
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Member since May 2016
14579 posts
Posted on 8/29/23 at 11:38 am to
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Golding has done a good job on the recruiting side.


For future Ole Miss reference.

4 and 5-star defensive athletes look just like 2 and 3-star athletes when you are a half step behind and playing on your heels. Adjust accordingly.
Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
25999 posts
Posted on 8/29/23 at 11:39 am to
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4 and 5-star defensive athletes look just like 2 and 3-star athletes when you are a half step behind and playing on your heels. Adjust accordingly.


Or....
Losing Scott Cochran wasn't the blessing that Bama fans predicted.
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