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With the ACC Grant of Rights Agreement - those teams won't leave the conference
Posted on 7/1/22 at 12:30 pm
Posted on 7/1/22 at 12:30 pm
I'm not stating that as an ACC fan. Though I graduated from Georgia Tech, I don't really follow the ACC that closely. I'm stating it because it isn't really an option for them no matter what the payout would be for each team. The Grant of Rights that runs through 2036 would mean if Georgia Tech joined the Big 10 (which they were actually invited to do several years ago) and were given $100M as part of their television agreement as a Big 10 member, they would then have to hand it to the ACC to split among their members. I'm sure the ACC would appreciate the extra income. Notre Dame's agreement with the ACC (remember they are a member in all other sports) stipulates that if they join a conference, it has to be the ACC. I don't think Notre Dame would go from their exclusive television contract to giving all their television revenue to the ACC.
While it is fun to list potential expansion candidates, the ACC teams and Notre Dame, to their detriment, are stuck until 2036. The only option for the ACC is to add teams from the PAC 12, Big 12, or the remote chance of the AAC in order to increase revenue.
While it is fun to list potential expansion candidates, the ACC teams and Notre Dame, to their detriment, are stuck until 2036. The only option for the ACC is to add teams from the PAC 12, Big 12, or the remote chance of the AAC in order to increase revenue.
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Posted on 7/1/22 at 12:31 pm to Ramblin Wreck
What I’ve learned through realignment is that these agreements really mean dick if a school wants to go
Posted on 7/1/22 at 12:31 pm to Ramblin Wreck
If more than half dissolve the conference, then there's no conference left to pay the GOR penalty to.
Posted on 7/1/22 at 12:31 pm to Ramblin Wreck
Do you have a copy of the agreement?
Posted on 7/1/22 at 12:31 pm to Ramblin Wreck
Again, nothing to stop the acc from merging with the sec.
Posted on 7/1/22 at 12:31 pm to Ramblin Wreck
Posted on 7/1/22 at 12:35 pm to Ramblin Wreck
Apparently if half leave then the league is dissolved and no buyout is required
Posted on 7/1/22 at 12:39 pm to Ramblin Wreck
I think the real money for the ACC is gonna come from a potential break from
the NCAA in basketball.They'll obviously need the other P5's and maybe G5's to follow suit but having their own
March madness would be worth billions if the big boys broke off.
ETA I have no idea of existing contract and TV obligations with the current arrangement.
the NCAA in basketball.They'll obviously need the other P5's and maybe G5's to follow suit but having their own
March madness would be worth billions if the big boys broke off.
ETA I have no idea of existing contract and TV obligations with the current arrangement.
Posted on 7/1/22 at 1:01 pm to Ramblin Wreck
The big dogs can and will gladly spend the ~$120-$140mm to jump ship from the ACC to a plush Big Ten or SEC contract. Desirable as some of these programs are, dragging their feet runs the risk of being left out in the cold.
Posted on 7/1/22 at 1:02 pm to Ramblin Wreck
Good that means mine team will pivot into the P2.
Posted on 7/1/22 at 1:03 pm to Ramblin Wreck
There is always an attorney or firm smarter than the one before that will find an out. Always. And I guarantee Notre Dame is not as "locked in" as folks think. They would have no reason to have signed an agreement so restrictive.
And if the SEC wanted to end the war they could invite in the top 8 teams and the ACC dissolves automatically.
And if the SEC wanted to end the war they could invite in the top 8 teams and the ACC dissolves automatically.
This post was edited on 7/1/22 at 1:07 pm
Posted on 7/1/22 at 1:24 pm to Ramblin Wreck
The ACC will stick together as long as the price for leaving exceeds the price for staying. The second that point is passed, the race for the lifeboats will begin.
I'm sure that lawyers at every ACC school have top men working on it right now. Top. Men.
I'm sure that lawyers at every ACC school have top men working on it right now. Top. Men.
This post was edited on 7/1/22 at 1:25 pm
Posted on 7/1/22 at 2:20 pm to Ramblin Wreck
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they would then have to hand it to the ACC to split among their members.
If The University of Texas says you don't pay the ACC, you don't pay the ACC.
Posted on 7/1/22 at 2:31 pm to Ramblin Wreck
You say all that, but this round of realignment seems existential in nature. Any ACC team with any amount of leverage needs to be putting out feelers or else their perpetual future is ruined.
I hope like hell GT finds a boat. They need to really aim for the Big 10. They'd love to get Atlanta market/exposure.
Best case scenario, you make the SEC nervous about the incursion and suddenly GT has some options between the two.
Different circumstances. They kicked off a wave rather than reacting to one. And as programs they would always have a home somewhere. That plus 4 years is a manageable time horizon to sit tight as opposed to 15 like in the ACC.
ACC teams should be panicking right now, with all options on the table.
I hope like hell GT finds a boat. They need to really aim for the Big 10. They'd love to get Atlanta market/exposure.
Best case scenario, you make the SEC nervous about the incursion and suddenly GT has some options between the two.
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I disagree, it's primarily why Texas and OU are sitting still until 2025 unless there is a major fallout with the Big 12.
Different circumstances. They kicked off a wave rather than reacting to one. And as programs they would always have a home somewhere. That plus 4 years is a manageable time horizon to sit tight as opposed to 15 like in the ACC.
ACC teams should be panicking right now, with all options on the table.
This post was edited on 7/1/22 at 2:36 pm
Posted on 7/1/22 at 2:38 pm to Ramblin Wreck
Sigh. Here you go you lazy bastard:
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In 2016, the ACC Council of Presidents unanimously agreed upon the current rights, which run through 2035-36 and stipulate that an ACC school’s media rights remain with the conference through that period regardless of membership status. Also in 2015, the ACC struck a deal with ESPN through 2035-36.
One ACC administrator pointed out that the grant of rights hasn’t been challenged in a court of law, but that they seem “pretty airtight.”
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This post was edited on 7/1/22 at 2:39 pm
Posted on 7/1/22 at 2:48 pm to Ramblin Wreck
If Notre dame joins a conference it would constitute a change in the landscape to the point the larger schools can argue that the agreement has been broken.
Posted on 7/1/22 at 2:51 pm to Ramblin Wreck
Regarding the ACC, yes, there is a Grant of Rights that sounds enforceable. But a couple of the name brand teams (Clemson, FSU) will bolt because they’ll be betting that once they leave, others will follow, and the GoR will become a moot point bc the league will dissolve before 2036.
That may not be the exact way it plays out, but there is 0% chance the ACC survives until 2036.
The other most plausible scenario is the ACC merges with the SEC, with some lesser ACC teams being left out of the deal. This seems like a probable scenario since ESPN owns both the SEC and ACC networks, therefore they could facilitate an amicable merger.
That may not be the exact way it plays out, but there is 0% chance the ACC survives until 2036.
The other most plausible scenario is the ACC merges with the SEC, with some lesser ACC teams being left out of the deal. This seems like a probable scenario since ESPN owns both the SEC and ACC networks, therefore they could facilitate an amicable merger.
This post was edited on 7/1/22 at 2:54 pm
Posted on 7/1/22 at 4:21 pm to Ramblin Wreck
While it is fun to list potential expansion candidates, the ACC teams and Notre Dame, to their detriment, are stuck until 2036.
And the Boomers speak again.
There is no agreement set in stone. Everything is up for grabs, year to year. Just because it's written on paper means ... well ... nothing. Because that piece of paper won't get up and make anyone do anything.
Good Grief people - just Google up the history of the CFA - then tell me why everyone has to stay where they are now because papers were signed and promises were made.
And the Boomers speak again.
There is no agreement set in stone. Everything is up for grabs, year to year. Just because it's written on paper means ... well ... nothing. Because that piece of paper won't get up and make anyone do anything.
Good Grief people - just Google up the history of the CFA - then tell me why everyone has to stay where they are now because papers were signed and promises were made.
Posted on 7/1/22 at 4:36 pm to Ramblin Wreck
If enough teams leave it'll dissolve and no one will be able to collect
Posted on 7/1/22 at 5:19 pm to Ramblin Wreck
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Notre Dame's agreement with the ACC (remember they are a member in all other sports) stipulates that if they join a conference, it has to be the ACC.
Is that forever, or is there a time clock on it?
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