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100 mph fastball isn’t what it used to be.

Posted on 6/21/22 at 7:46 am
Posted by XenScott
Pensacola
Member since Oct 2016
3191 posts
Posted on 6/21/22 at 7:46 am
Kids can hit the heater. 100 used to be considered un hittable, even in MLB. Arky threw everything they had at ole miss and they stoned it.

Ole miss threw a kid that might hit 93 on a good day but held at about 89-90. An effective slider that you can back door is now the beat pitch in College baseball.
Posted by GamecockUltimate
Columbia,SC
Member since Feb 2019
7022 posts
Posted on 6/21/22 at 7:49 am to
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Ole miss threw a kid that might hit 93 on a good day but held at about 89-90. An effective slider that you can back door is now the beat pitch in College baseball.




This isnt a new thought. It was that way when Michael Roth and Blake Cooper ran Omaha in 2010. Both never hit above 93. They located pitches well.
Posted by sweetwaterbilly
Member since Mar 2017
19351 posts
Posted on 6/21/22 at 7:49 am to
That Wiggins dude touched 100 a few times but about 1 of every 4 was in the zone

Side note: The commentating for the CWS is so good every year. KP did a great job of breaking down the pitching last night. And I know I'm probably the only one, but I really like Eduardo Perez. Every guy they have in the booth for these games brings a good perspective on a part of the game.
Posted by Tridentds
Sugar Land
Member since Aug 2011
20737 posts
Posted on 6/21/22 at 7:51 am to
Heat is great. Good change up or slider combined with that heat… devastating.
Posted by mattchewbocca
houma, la
Member since Jun 2008
5440 posts
Posted on 6/21/22 at 8:02 am to
Wrong throwing flat heat is ineffective. With a little bit of movement 95 can be dominant.
Posted by BobLeeDagger
In Your Head
Member since May 2016
6929 posts
Posted on 6/21/22 at 8:18 am to
Been that way for a few years now.
Posted by Oilfieldbiology
Member since Nov 2016
37723 posts
Posted on 6/21/22 at 8:20 am to
Movement and location are and always have been the key to pitching success. If you can locate your pitch exactly where you want it, and your pitch has movement, especially side to side, you will have much more success than some flame thrower that lives in triple digits but who’s pitch is flat and never moves.
Posted by plazadweller
South Georgia
Member since Jul 2011
11461 posts
Posted on 6/21/22 at 8:22 am to
It's always been about movement and location. Gas is great but if its flat and and only moves an inch you're going to get rocked
Posted by Harry Rex Vonner
American southerner
Member since Nov 2013
35959 posts
Posted on 6/21/22 at 8:31 am to
can you state your qualifications sir?
Posted by HotRock
Starkville,MS
Member since Aug 2018
513 posts
Posted on 6/21/22 at 8:35 am to
Here is an article that I read. You see, all things aren't what they seem.

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Posted by HotRock
Starkville,MS
Member since Aug 2018
513 posts
Posted on 6/21/22 at 8:50 am to
Nevermind, wrong place
This post was edited on 6/21/22 at 8:51 am
Posted by ReversePiggie
In non-Arkansas US
Member since Sep 2021
3593 posts
Posted on 6/21/22 at 9:00 am to
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Arky threw everything they had at ole miss


If by everything you mean number of pitchers, then yeah. If you mean pitches, we threw some balls towards the plate... but only a few crossed it.

Congrats to OM, no doubt, but after 6 pitchers, it was obvious none of them were able to pitch strikes.
Posted by CatBBN
Member since Jan 2020
2480 posts
Posted on 6/21/22 at 9:30 am to
There's a difference between a thrower and a pitcher. Gotta be able to throw multiple pitches with movement that they can also locate
Posted by Ronaldo Burgundiaz
NWA
Member since Jan 2012
6588 posts
Posted on 6/21/22 at 10:04 am to
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Arky threw everything they had at ole miss and they stoned it.
If by everything you mean the bottom half of the bullpen.

A bizarre tactic from Dave van Horn for sure. Our #2 starter, #3 starter, and top reliever never saw the field yesterday and didn't play against Stanford either.
Posted by UKWildcats
Lexington, KY
Member since Mar 2015
17344 posts
Posted on 6/21/22 at 10:09 am to
I realize a lot of people still don't realize, but for the umpteenth time:

THEY DO NOT MEASURE PITCH SPEED THE SAME AS THEY USED TO.

Please folks, listen and learn.

They used to clock the pitch speed as it crossed the plate/hit the mitt. Now they clock it as it leaves the pitchers hand.

Hence, the big uptick in pitching velocity. No, we do not suddenly have a generation of superbeast mutant pitchers.

Back to your regularly scheduled program.
Posted by BLSooner4
Edmond
Member since Jul 2021
74 posts
Posted on 6/21/22 at 10:16 am to
I was having this convo just yesterday. I played in the Big 12 in early 2000’s and there were a few guys that would run it up there in the 97-98 MPH range, but for the most part 90-92 was probably the average on any given weekend. Now everybody that steps on the mound seems to being touching 95. Have to wonder if these guns are juiced a couple MPH or if science+technology and training now has really added 3-5 MPH for these guys. I know radar guns measure different than older versions. they now measure velocity closer to the release point, where as it used to be as the ball crossed the plate but what affect that would have on the velocity being measured is way above my pay grade.

But just like has been mentioned multiple times already, if it’s straight, it doesn’t matter how hard your throwing. I’ll take 98 and straight over 88 with big time run all day long.
This post was edited on 6/21/22 at 10:20 am
Posted by gohogs141
Fayetteville
Member since Jun 2011
7519 posts
Posted on 6/21/22 at 10:30 am to
I feel like us and too many other SEC teams recruit guys who can throw hard hoping to turn them into good pitchers instead of just guys who can pitch. You see these small schools all the time with guys who only throw 88 but with good offspeed and location. Those guys are especially tough to hit if they're lefties.

It's like recruiting a 6'6 QB who can throw it a mile but can't do much else when a 5'11 QB who can run and throw accurately gets the job done better.
Posted by roguetiger15
Member since Jan 2013
16222 posts
Posted on 6/21/22 at 10:34 am to
Tennessee has that kid that throws 105

Too bad the rest of the team sucks
Posted by CoachDon
Louisville
Member since Sep 2014
12409 posts
Posted on 6/21/22 at 12:10 pm to
Greg Maddux is my all-time favorite pitcher.

I remember him throwing only 79 pitches in a game with 15 being balls.

He didn't throw heat by any measure, but his mix of pitches and particularly his dead eye location to place the ball wherever he wanted was masterful.

Posted by Weagle25
THE Football State.
Member since Oct 2011
46258 posts
Posted on 6/21/22 at 1:36 pm to
Greg Maddux never threw above 93 MPH and is a first ballot HOF.

It’s never only been about the fastball.
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