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re: What makes this season successful?
Posted on 7/23/19 at 6:27 am to SECdragonmaster
Posted on 7/23/19 at 6:27 am to SECdragonmaster
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We could swap coaches with any football program in the state (including Samford) and win 7-8 games.
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Posted on 7/23/19 at 7:20 am to LanierSpots
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If every first down is followed by a quick inside zone, I’ll still watch but only because AU football is something my son enjoys watching as well.
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Honestly, I am only pissed off about this if it doesnt work. We did this pretty much every series in 2013-2014 and it was working so I did not mind the zone runs on first down. But if it doesnt work, do something else
I hasn't been effective since we don't have a running threat at QB, put Nick Marshall back there and I'm good with it.
Posted on 7/23/19 at 8:49 am to atlau
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Break losing streak against LSU in BR
Win either Bama or UGA
This is what I'd like to see. Get the BR boogeyman off our back and at least split Bama/UGA. That would at least put my mind at ease that the program is moving in the right direction as opposed to stagnate or falling further behind our rivals.
That and not lose any head scratchers like the Tenn game last season. I'm tired of losing to teams we should easily beat. And no blown 14-20 point leads to lose games.
This post was edited on 7/23/19 at 8:52 am
Posted on 7/23/19 at 9:05 am to TheJones
Finish the season strong, rather than with a whimper. End the year looking like a team that will compete next season. That means likely winning one of UGA/Bama and winning a good bowl game.
If those things happen I'd be pretty pleased with 9 wins in the regular season and 10 overall.
Play entertaining football where you're not constantly saying "why the hell is he doing that?"
If those things happen I'd be pretty pleased with 9 wins in the regular season and 10 overall.
Play entertaining football where you're not constantly saying "why the hell is he doing that?"
Posted on 7/23/19 at 9:06 am to Pettifogger
A legitimate chance at 10 wins when we get to November.
Posted on 7/23/19 at 9:27 am to SECdragonmaster
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We could swap coaches with any football program in the state (including Samford) and win 7-8 games.
This is a good point I think a lot of our fan base doesn't understand. The common theme I see is "Who could do better?". We should be saying "We couldn't do any worse".
Career just over .500 coach
2-4 in bowl games
7-14 against top 10
Record vs. Top 25 opponents: 16-17
Neutral site record: 5-5
Away Record: 13-13 overall, 12-12 in SEC
And of course owned by our rivals.
TAMU, UGA, Bama, and UF seem to be trending up. AU seems to be trying to keep it's head above water each year.
SO based on Gus's record I'm assuming 8 wins this year.
Posted on 7/23/19 at 9:29 am to RandySavage
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Minimum 9 wins including the Bowl Game, have to beat one of LSU, UGA, Bama. Be competitive vs. the others.
Posted on 7/23/19 at 9:48 am to AUtigR24
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SO based on Gus's record I'm assuming 8 wins this year.
Just to keep us on track - I don’t want this to be a prediction thread. I think we already did that along with other threads that discuss what Gus needs to do to keep his job.
Just looking for the preseason baseline of what makes this season successful. Lots of good responses so far
Posted on 7/23/19 at 10:25 am to AUtigR24
So you only see the negatives. I just dont understand that type of thinking.
Everything has ups and downs. What you have to consider is, " Are the downs worth the ups"?
Which is a perfect question for Gus's tenure at Auburn.
Are you really wanting to make him look bad as you would add in Arkansas St record?
His record at Auburn is 53-27 which is way over 500 and above the Auburn average by a lot
This is a stat that I dont like but only one of thsoe games really bother me
Actually not terrible considering a good portion of those loses are againt Alabama who has owned every single team they have played. And Gus has done better against them than just about every other coach
Not great but not terrible either considering most of those games and loses were against top 5 teams
UGA is the only one who have really owned us.
TaMu got Jimbo and are getting better but we beat them last year. They have done nothing since they joined the SEC. UF is in turmoil right now. Not really trending up. UGA is recruiting at a level way over what we have ever done. They have better jim and joes right now and will win more games because of it.
You mean Auburns historical record. Gus has been more successful than any coach at Auburn in a very long time. His ups have been way more than we have seen in any of our lifetimes. IF our defense did not screw the pooch against Florida State, the outlook on him would be totally different.
Gus is responsible for Auburn going to two National Championship games in 9 years. Two. After not s sniff in 50 damn years. Im sorry but I will take that along with some dumb shite plays over being a 9-10 win consistent team and never getting that big stage. The downs are worth the ups for me
Everything has ups and downs. What you have to consider is, " Are the downs worth the ups"?
Which is a perfect question for Gus's tenure at Auburn.
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Career just over .500 coach
Are you really wanting to make him look bad as you would add in Arkansas St record?
His record at Auburn is 53-27 which is way over 500 and above the Auburn average by a lot
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2-4 in bowl games
This is a stat that I dont like but only one of thsoe games really bother me
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7-14 against top 10
Actually not terrible considering a good portion of those loses are againt Alabama who has owned every single team they have played. And Gus has done better against them than just about every other coach
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Record vs. Top 25 opponents: 16-17
Not great but not terrible either considering most of those games and loses were against top 5 teams
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And of course owned by our rivals.
UGA is the only one who have really owned us.
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TAMU, UGA, Bama, and UF seem to be trending up. AU seems to be trying to keep it's head above water each year.
TaMu got Jimbo and are getting better but we beat them last year. They have done nothing since they joined the SEC. UF is in turmoil right now. Not really trending up. UGA is recruiting at a level way over what we have ever done. They have better jim and joes right now and will win more games because of it.
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SO based on Gus's record I'm assuming 8 wins this year.
You mean Auburns historical record. Gus has been more successful than any coach at Auburn in a very long time. His ups have been way more than we have seen in any of our lifetimes. IF our defense did not screw the pooch against Florida State, the outlook on him would be totally different.
Gus is responsible for Auburn going to two National Championship games in 9 years. Two. After not s sniff in 50 damn years. Im sorry but I will take that along with some dumb shite plays over being a 9-10 win consistent team and never getting that big stage. The downs are worth the ups for me
Posted on 7/23/19 at 10:32 am to TheJones
I agree that this is a make or break year and have more than once wanted Gus out. But if he has a good year (10 wins), then I am for keeping him.
Playing devils advocate, Gus has done some positive things, but his personality kills him. Lets compare his record to another coach with 7 years of experience.
Coach #1 (1-3 in bowls)
9-2 Toledo (81.8%)
6-5-1 MSU (58.5%) (0-3 in Bowls)
6-6
7-5
6-6
9-2
8-4 LSU (66.6%)[/b] (1-0 in Bowls)
52 Wins 30 losses 1 tie
GUS: (2-4 In Bowls) (SEC Championship)
9-3 Arkie State (75%)
12-2 Auburn (66.3% Winning)
8-5
7-6
8-5
10-4
8-5
62 wins 30 losses
I am not saying that Gus is equal to Nick, but it took Nick a while to make it happen. In 7 years, Gus had 2 10 win seasons, Nick Zero. Gus has more wins, a better winning percentage, a Power 5 Conference Championship. Again make or break year for Gus, but I am going to stay optimistic that he has finally figured it all out.
Playing devils advocate, Gus has done some positive things, but his personality kills him. Lets compare his record to another coach with 7 years of experience.
Coach #1 (1-3 in bowls)
9-2 Toledo (81.8%)
6-5-1 MSU (58.5%) (0-3 in Bowls)
6-6
7-5
6-6
9-2
8-4 LSU (66.6%)[/b] (1-0 in Bowls)
52 Wins 30 losses 1 tie
GUS: (2-4 In Bowls) (SEC Championship)
9-3 Arkie State (75%)
12-2 Auburn (66.3% Winning)
8-5
7-6
8-5
10-4
8-5
62 wins 30 losses
I am not saying that Gus is equal to Nick, but it took Nick a while to make it happen. In 7 years, Gus had 2 10 win seasons, Nick Zero. Gus has more wins, a better winning percentage, a Power 5 Conference Championship. Again make or break year for Gus, but I am going to stay optimistic that he has finally figured it all out.
This post was edited on 7/23/19 at 10:35 am
Posted on 7/23/19 at 11:23 am to TheJones
My standards are the same as they are every year:
1. Look like we are well prepared.
2. Play up to our ability in every game, regardless of opponent.
3. Improve quality of play as the season progresses.
If I feel like we have accomplished the above, I consider the season successful, regardless of record (although it should be noted that, with our talent level, doing the above would lead to a lot of wins, even against our typically brutal schedules).
We looked like that in 2013, and were headed that way in 2017 until we fumbled away our chance (literally as well as figuratively) in the SECCG.
Last year was, IMHO, the worst season of the Malzahn Era, even worse than 2015, in that we didn't do any of the the three things I listed above. After the huge contract extension, it seemed like the classic post-free-agent letdown. The whole year was a huge step in the wrong direction.
That doesn't bode well for Gustav's long-term future at AU. However, we are contractually tied to him for the next year or two at least, so I remain hopeful that he can finally put together a season that achieves those three objectives I listed.
1. Look like we are well prepared.
2. Play up to our ability in every game, regardless of opponent.
3. Improve quality of play as the season progresses.
If I feel like we have accomplished the above, I consider the season successful, regardless of record (although it should be noted that, with our talent level, doing the above would lead to a lot of wins, even against our typically brutal schedules).
We looked like that in 2013, and were headed that way in 2017 until we fumbled away our chance (literally as well as figuratively) in the SECCG.
Last year was, IMHO, the worst season of the Malzahn Era, even worse than 2015, in that we didn't do any of the the three things I listed above. After the huge contract extension, it seemed like the classic post-free-agent letdown. The whole year was a huge step in the wrong direction.
That doesn't bode well for Gustav's long-term future at AU. However, we are contractually tied to him for the next year or two at least, so I remain hopeful that he can finally put together a season that achieves those three objectives I listed.
Posted on 7/23/19 at 2:30 pm to FearlessFreep
I'd settle for no scratch your head what's wrong with the O games this season.
Posted on 7/24/19 at 1:25 am to TheJones
Beat bama, Georgia, and LSU. At the worst win 2 of 3.
Posted on 7/24/19 at 1:55 am to SECdragonmaster
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: What makes this season successful?
Kevin Steele
(eta: The'D - same thing as the last couple of years.)
This post was edited on 7/24/19 at 6:17 am
Posted on 7/24/19 at 10:01 am to TheJones
2013: 12-2
2014: 8-5
2015: 7-6
2016: 8-5
2017: 10-4
2018: 8-5.
Give us an SEC Championship Gus and we’ll keep your non-program building self.
2014: 8-5
2015: 7-6
2016: 8-5
2017: 10-4
2018: 8-5.
Give us an SEC Championship Gus and we’ll keep your non-program building self.
Posted on 7/24/19 at 5:32 pm to LanierSpots
25 Ls in 5 seasons.
Spin that one.
Spin that one.
Posted on 7/24/19 at 5:35 pm to auburn2eugene
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What makes this season successful?
Its not just about the Ws and Ls though. Its about how we look in the Ls.
Dont look bad. Dont let my daughter who hates football be able to call out the plays before we snap and ill still bitch about him as our coach but would be somewhat happy.
However if we expect no more than 8 Ws in a season we will get no more than 8 Ws in a season.
Posted on 7/24/19 at 9:48 pm to auburn2eugene
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25 Ls in 5 seasons.
Spin that one.
2013 and UGA/Bama 2017 fooled so many people. He should’ve been fired after LSU 2017. We wouldn’t be stuck with his stupid contract.
Posted on 7/25/19 at 4:57 am to auburn2eugene
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25 Ls in 5 seasons.
Spin that one.
What is there to spin? It is pretty much Auburns average for the history of the program.
Im not spinning anything. Just offering a different view. Not the view that only picks out the negatives. Sorry to interfere with the mob...
This post was edited on 7/25/19 at 4:58 am
Posted on 7/25/19 at 5:59 am to LanierSpots
Play sound fundamental football and find a way to get to the fourth quarter with quality teams.
We have more talent than 7 or 8 teams that we play most years so 7 to 8 wins is the floor.
Good coaching provides the discipline not to beat yourself, and the imagination that may allow you to compete with more talented teams and win some of those games as well.
We have more talent than 7 or 8 teams that we play most years so 7 to 8 wins is the floor.
Good coaching provides the discipline not to beat yourself, and the imagination that may allow you to compete with more talented teams and win some of those games as well.
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