re: Someone convince me that we’re not f****d in Football

Auburn is in the same position as Florida, Tennessee, Florida St, and a few more. And Harsin can do nothing about it. It’s called Mark Emmert. He hired Saban and Saban is his bud. Kirby is part of that clan. Combine bama and uga and you have about 50-60 players a year that used to be dispersed between all of us. Now they get paid to go to bama and uga. There has been smoke and even a leaked tape from Rush Probst saying how they do it. All that came from the Probst info was “he is a scumbag you can’t trust.” Well, it takes one to know one. Who do they think knows about this stuff, Mother Teresa?

There is an old saying, “look at the back of the baseball card.” I look at the back of UGa’s “card” and they don’t get 30 - 40% of all the 5 star kids. Kirby is a relentless recruiter? So is about 99% of all coaches in this conference. Hell, even Dan Patrick said he hears uga is getting sloppy about it.

Any word from Mark Emmert?? And how does one person get double digit years at a post that is supposed to protect fair play? The Mark Emmert that came from LSU and has an FBI investigation recording that bust the LSU basketball coach. 3 years later, crickets..

NIL may help, as much as I hate it, at least it makes it “legal” for everybody. Although that may lead to the rich always winning, because I doubt there will ever be a salary cap. And if there ever was one you better believe bama and uga won’t be held to it as long as Emmert is in charge.

All I know is this staff does not care about shot in the arm recruiters. That’s not a bad thing but I am annoyed we haven’t courted TROB when he’s just a coach.

It’s not a bad thing because of stability.

Shot in the arm Will Muschamp hires might temporarily bring good recruits but it’s apparent we are hell bent in building though a slow, continuous fashion after the baby is thrown out of the bath water.

It must be nice to NOT be a fanatic when it comes to long drawn-out program builders. Otherwise, paying attention is like watching bacon cook.

I’m a fanatic and impatient. I want the splash hire. Lane Kiffin effect immediately. I suppose I’d like to reap the benefits of a long build but I’d be damned if want to endure a build that someone like the Utah or Kentucky coaches had to do.

U need to hear JBoys time on the Drive today on radio.

He too is frustrated w the rate of our filling of critical needs just to have a fighting chance.

He says if our Trwnsfer portal and HS recruiting goes south again this year we will not win 6 games and Harsin will be gone in 2 years.

i don't listen to JBoy very often but he's pretty in touch with the SEC. He definitely has connections at AU.

He had a personal relationship with Corn so you can understand why he was upset. You generally don't lure away a coach from another job and fire him half way through the season. Harsin made it sound like a job performance issue when the rumors were of personal nature. So who really knows.

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We’d be well suited to majorly invest more so than ever before in the bball program. CFB is a dying sport

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This is the point I think most people on here miss. It doesn’t matter who our coach is. Football is fricked. There’s no way we have the alumni base or Metropolitan market area to compete with A&M, Bama, and Georgia. So we get frustrated with Harsin, fire him, and the next guy comes in and has the same problem. Who’s going to want to take this job when they know they can’t compete. We’re not going to outbid A&M for players. We could pour a ton of money in the football and still come up short or even shorter.

I think Auburn is playing the long game to raise the profile of all our other sports and football is going to be the victim of that. I don’t see us being competitive in football as long as the NIL is the way it is. Perhaps things will change but something is going to have to change structurally for us to be back in the hunt anytime soon. There is no “4-5 year rebuild”. We just simply won’t be competitive.

Now the X factor will be if one of these traditional powers who can no longer compete in one of the other parts of the country, BigTen, Pac 12 sue for Title 9 reason. That could change the game.

You are just saying the truth. People here may not like it, but Auburn is NEVER going to improve, especially with how our fan base handles everything. We have no patience for improvement at all, we are demanding to win right now and that takes time. People don't want to acknowledge the fact we just fired a coach of 7 years, who lets face it put us into mediocrity by letting us believe we could be great but didnt recruit enough to put us over the thresh-hold. I'm glad Malzhan beat bama every now and then and Georgia like 2 times. It literally means nothing now. We need to let Harsin do what it takes to turn things around. Our culture is what he is focusing on, he's said it a thousand times and we can act like we had a good culture but we didnt. Our players ran their mouths more than they did anything for production and discipline problems were bad. Gus also didnt recruit offensively they way he should have and now we are paying for it, which if you think about it is a hard pill to swallow considering the man was an "offensive genius". Idk I just feel like the majority of our fans like to act ignorant about certain aspects of our football program. I don't see us falling into Arkansas levels, but I foresee next year being more or less the same. We haven't hit the portal at all on offense like I think we should and I am not sure if that's because they are confident in developing what we have or what? That being said the OL players returning didnt do much for me considering they weren't great to begin with. I just see programs like Georgia allowing Kirby to have the time to build culture and allow the recruiting to come in at a slow pace and now they are successful, gotta say that its just sad we cant do the same in return because we want greatness today knowing we dont have the players these other programs have.

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just see programs like Georgia allowing Kirby to have the time to build culture and allow the recruiting to come in at a slow pace and now they are successful, 

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I'm waiting till the end of next season and seeing what our recruiting class looks like for 23 to truly judge Harsin, but WTF are you talking about here? Georgia had the #6 recruiting class in the country each of Kirby's first two seasons. There was no building slow.

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I'm waiting till the end of next season and seeing what our recruiting class looks like for 23 to truly judge Harsin, but WTF are you talking about here? Georgia had the #6 recruiting class in the country each of Kirby's first two seasons. There was no building slow.

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Because he already had relationships with all those kids and was well known under Saban. Harsin came in as a relative unknown in the Southeast with basically zero relationships.

You can't hold Harsin to the same standard right away as a guy who coached under Saban for a decade plus and was incredibly well known to every single recruit in the Southeast and beyond.

I'm not saying there won't come a time that we say Harsin can or can't cut it on the recruiting trail, but comparing him to a very well known name like Smart in year 1 just isn't fair at this point.