auyushu

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This is the Auburn 2021 roster sans Shariffe playing the hardest schedule in the country.

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Dude, you can say you aren't going to fully judge him till he gets his own players and you want him to get a second year and that's fine as an opinion. But this is a load of crap. The talent on this team is more comparable to the 2023 team than it is 21 without Cooper.

We lost to Ole Miss and A&M at home and Okie and Miss St on the road, and we have a good bit more talent than all of those teams. Those losses are a coaching and culture issue, not a talent issue.

He lost this team and they've played like shite down the stretch, it is what it is. The roster wasn't a great mix, but don't try and pretend their wasn't the talent level to make the tournament on this team, because there was. The almost win versus Houston, the win versus St Johns, and the Florida road win proved that.

He'll get another year because we aren't cutting ties after one year, but his coaching post Texas has been bad and gives me little hope we can reload and rebound under him.

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Last time I saw that happen Shariffe was sitting two thirds of the season and Johni was still at Murray state.

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Johni at Murray state? You hitting the sauce hard again tonight my man?

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2007, Rawlings made an all-time golf glove team. Griffey, Mays, And Clemente were their outfielders. To laugh at the notion he is "arguably" the best defensive outfielder of all time or to say that he isn't remotely close is fricking stupid.

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Derek Jeter won 5 Rawlings gold gloves during his career, I really could give two shits who they think is the best defensively in 2007 because back then they were giving out gold gloves to guys who were solid/above average defensively and top notch offensively (or flat out mediocre or worse defensively in the case of Jeter).

It was more of a combination award than best defensive player award. Rawling did stupid shite like giving gold gloves to Rafael Palmeiro when he was playing most his games as DH, and gave a gold glove to freaking Raul Mondesi over Andruw Jones in 1997. It was only after they got called out repeatedly in the press and online for being morons that Rawlings switched to using some defensive stats to pick gold gloves. They've done much better job the last decade or two, but for a long stretch during the late 80s through the 2000s gold gloves were as much a popularity contest as anything else.

Because Jeter sure as hell wasn't the best defensive SS at any point in his career, much less the years he won it. And like I said, Griffey was elite for a good stretch in his early to mid 20s, but some of his last couple gold gloves weren't all that particularly earned though. And all the years that he played OF in Cincy and was a below average defensive OF exist, he was not good at all then, which counts against him. If we are judging someone as best defensive of of all time we are judging their entire career, not peak.

Like I said, if you want to call him the best all around OF of all time including defense and offense I can see it (though I'd still choose Mays). And as someone who watched his entire career his defensive peak was excellent, it just wasn't as good as Andruw. I mean, I was a huge Griffey fan and he was one of my favorite players of the 90s, he's just not the best defensive OF of all time.

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lol. I guess you can call it that but it's not like I see auyushu and think to myself I think I will pick on him for awhile.

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:lol: Yeah, I've never really seen you do that really, you more just seem annoyed at stuff and going after differing viewpoints when you get into that mode.

Except for Chex, him you hated and went after like a shark that sees blood in the water. :lol:

Which to be fair, is understandable in his case.

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He was also arguably the greatest defensive outfielder of all-time.

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:Lol: He wasn't remotely close to being the best defensive outfielder of all time (that's either Willie Mays or Andruw Jones depending on your preference). He was an excellent fielder though until injuries caught up to him, and for a 5-6 year stretch during the mid 90s he was truly elite. He was straight up bad defensively during his Cincy years. If you wanted to argue best combination of offense and defense during his peak I could see it, but he's not best of all time quality defensively.

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The only other player in his league in that generation is Barry Bonds

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Barry Bonds, Frank Thomas, and Griffey Jr were all neck and neck offensively in terms of best hitters of the 90s. Barry obviously used PEDs out the arse and dominated the 2000s too, whereas Frank didn't use PEDs and fell off due to injuries, and Griffey JR had injuries and a non-PED type aging curve as well.

Anyone claiming Griffey JR was nepotism is dumb, dude was legit right behind Jordan in popularity in the 90s and a complete stud. And as mentioned one of the sweetest swings of all time.

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Last year we had an elite defense with really only 3 players I would have considered to above average defensively.. but this bunch is exceptionally bad and gives poor effort.

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I agree with your general point, but we had more than 3 last year. Denver, Broome, Cardwell, CBM, Kelly, Chaney, and Moore were all above average defensively.

This year we don't have a single player over .6 in defensive win shares, and nobody over 3 in defensive box plus/minus, which is pathetic. Only time we had that under Bruce was the first couple years and 20-21.

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Ultimately I fault it on having no true one. Tahaad

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This was our biggest issue, followed by a lack of three point shooting at the 1 and 2 positions in general. When you can't shoot 3s with your guards and they also suck defensively you are going to have a hard time. Combine that with Murphy being a completely average starting center with no backup at all and it's a bad combo.

I'll second Corch in that Overton surprised me some games playing much better offensively than I expected, but he was tremendously worse defensively than I expected. The combo of him, Hall, and Tahaad was just awful defensively. Once they started to show weak effort defensively it was game over.

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Actually I was the first negatiger for the season when everyone was predicting preseason of 14-4 and 13-5. I said maybe 10-8.

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I was more referring to reasonable folks, not guys who thought we would go 14-4 because we went to the final four last year and didn't know anything about our roster limitations. I thought your 10-8 prediction was pretty reasonable, I was thinking 11-7 or 10-8 myself preseason. And with the talent on the team that should have been doable. But obviously that didn't happen.

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Jesus what a low bar compared to two literal final 4s.

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We made a sweet sixteen and elite eight during that run in back to back years. You are sounding pretty pathetic with the excuse making right now and discounting anything pre-Bruce.

He's the best coach we've ever had no doubt, but Sonny Smith made the tournament in 5 of 11 years and Bruce 6 if 11 (obviously would have been 7 without COVID). But they both made it past the second round an equal amount of times.

I agree with you that Steven deserves a second year based on the shite show he was handed, but you are acting like Bruce brought us actual titles based on your commentary on how we owed him stuff. We only owe him stuff if an actual sustainable basketball program results from Bruce's era. If not it's only a moderate step up from the Sonny Smith era in the long term.

And no we aren't tanked or close yet, but on the flip side we shouldn't let Steven hang around for 4 years and bring us there. And the fact that Bruce forced the money guys to hire Steven by quitting last second is going to screw Steven in terms of support and NIL, which wouldn't have happened if he had coached at a mid major like he should have.

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People have such terrible memories or just didn’t start following b-ball until we started having success with Bruce, but as bad as this is, it is still light years better than pre Bruce b-ball.

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Get the frick out of here with this bullshite. Yes, Bruce was the best thing that's happened to Auburn basketball and brought us to heights we haven't seen before.

But the people who have terrible memories or just started watching basketball are the ones who are acting like we never had success without Bruce. I grew up watching us make 5 straight NCAA tournaments in the 80s (young auyushu was very sad when the 83 Barkley team got upset by Richmond, and was ecstatic watching the sweet sixteen and elite eight runs). I also was a cliff dweller during my time at Auburn and watched Ellis build a solid program.

Did we suck between Ellis and Bruce, yes. Should we run our program into the ground because Bruce built us back up due to misplaced gratitude to him? Hell no.

Steven won't be fired after this season (and shouldn't be). But if he doesn't do a massive turnaround of the roster and make the tournament next season he needs to be fired.

Our team is so amazingly brain dead on so many levels. It's incredible.