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re: OFFICIAL 2020 Head Coach Search thread
Posted on 10/19/20 at 11:14 am to metafour
Posted on 10/19/20 at 11:14 am to metafour
I understand the hesitation on Mario. But everyone needs to understand he pulled 3 5* recruits last year. Is currently 3 in the nation while his league is by far the worst P5 major conference. He won his league last year. A rose bowl. His main draw is his approach to building a team. He has stated line play is the most important factor. Which is 100% true.
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Posted on 10/19/20 at 12:37 pm to AUCE05
My biggest gripe with these threads, is that I hate every name that is thrown out. It is always the same washed up names that have failed/had moderate success in a different conference that is in no way comparable to the gauntlet that is playing Alabama, UGA, LSU, and top 25 P5 opponent every year.
It also annoys me how we overlook failures of other coaches that we would never forgive in our own coach. Blowing a huge second half lead and losing to a freshman QB that we all now think sucks. Fielding the literal dead last defense in the country and boasting a 1-3 record. Looking at coaches that have lied and cheated and still never won anything of note. Oh well they would be in better situations and have more talent at Auburn. Relative to our competition, not really. We need someone who can out-scheme, out-coach, and develop our talent to beat teams that are going to out recruit us until we beat them consistently.
Now with all that being said, the one name I have seen that I love is Brent Venables. Defensive minded coach who has surely learned a ton about recruiting and managing a championship team. Should already have plenty of connections to the southeast. Could be another Kirby Smart like guy who comes in ready to do it himself immediately. That is name I would get excited about.
It also annoys me how we overlook failures of other coaches that we would never forgive in our own coach. Blowing a huge second half lead and losing to a freshman QB that we all now think sucks. Fielding the literal dead last defense in the country and boasting a 1-3 record. Looking at coaches that have lied and cheated and still never won anything of note. Oh well they would be in better situations and have more talent at Auburn. Relative to our competition, not really. We need someone who can out-scheme, out-coach, and develop our talent to beat teams that are going to out recruit us until we beat them consistently.
Now with all that being said, the one name I have seen that I love is Brent Venables. Defensive minded coach who has surely learned a ton about recruiting and managing a championship team. Should already have plenty of connections to the southeast. Could be another Kirby Smart like guy who comes in ready to do it himself immediately. That is name I would get excited about.
Posted on 10/19/20 at 12:44 pm to ATLtiger12
I agree with 100% of this.
It has to be someone that has a realistic chance at building something. Someone that has been a part of greatness. Not someone you have to make excuses fir or worry they will have the program on probation in a year.
Everyone is just throwing out names. Same names. Most that would never come to Auburn.
It has to be someone that has a realistic chance at building something. Someone that has been a part of greatness. Not someone you have to make excuses fir or worry they will have the program on probation in a year.
Everyone is just throwing out names. Same names. Most that would never come to Auburn.
Posted on 10/19/20 at 12:47 pm to LanierSpots
Mario would jump at an SEC school. Stoops could be persuaded. Clemson DC too. Those are legit choices that would be instant upgrade from Gus.
Posted on 10/19/20 at 1:51 pm to AUCE05
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Clemson DC
On paper, Venables looks great, but just not sure how conformable I'd be with a DC with no head coaching experience coming in taking the reigns.
Posted on 10/19/20 at 2:22 pm to AUNashville
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I doubt it would happen, but I would be fine running with an interim for the remainder of the season.
Besides, when was the last time a college coach was fired and replaced in the same season? We would be limiting ourselves too much by only looking at coaches available now.
I don't think Auburn would ever do an interim coach, unless ofc they pulled a Terry Bowden.
Auburn, with all the respect they try to show, would give the current coach the opportunity to finish the season.
That's just the way we do it...
Posted on 10/19/20 at 2:28 pm to AUCE05
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Mario would jump at an SEC school. Stoops could be persuaded. Clemson DC too. Those are legit choices that would be instant upgrade from Gus.
Have no idea if MC would "Jump" at a chance to go from Oregon to Auburn
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Stoops could be persuaded
Maybe but word was, he did not want the Florida State job and Id think that would have been more of a target for him than Auburn
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Clemson DC too
I like him for what he does. Plus, he has been in a program that pursued excellence. I really like that about him. But as someone mentioned, he has zero head coaching experience and we would be taking another "chance" with him learning on the job as Gus did.
This post was edited on 10/19/20 at 2:29 pm
Posted on 10/19/20 at 2:30 pm to atlau
quote:His reluctance to interview for HC gigs over the past few years had led me to believe he was happy as a coordinator, but this Yahoo article from September (apologies for Pete Thamel content) indicates he's ready to make a move.
On paper, Venables looks great, but just not sure how conformable I'd be with a DC with no head coaching experience coming in taking the reigns.
We hired Gustav with one year's HC experience, and Chiz with two. But unlike those guys, he's been very highly regarded and performed at a very high level for two different highly successful programs (OU and Clemson) and came up under a legend (Snyder at KState). Might be worth taking a chance.
Posted on 10/19/20 at 8:54 pm to FearlessFreep
After doing some research I’m all in on Venables as well. He’s definitely not your flash in the pan coordinator who only has 4-5 years of success. He’s been doing this for 15 years and as pointed out above, has worked under Stoops and Dabo, both of whom know how to build programs. What’s interesting is Most of the coordinators that successfully make the jump to head coach have tenure and experience in successful programs similar to his. (Kirby, Stoops, Richt to name a few).
Posted on 10/20/20 at 7:35 am to aujerm
The idea of Cristobal is growing on me for two reasons.
1. The potential of having this guy on staff
And
2. Jessica Cristobal
1. The potential of having this guy on staff
And
2. Jessica Cristobal
This post was edited on 10/20/20 at 2:55 pm
Posted on 10/20/20 at 7:59 am to LanierSpots
quote:No worries, we'd tie him to 5 year deal and he'd have plenty time to get it right.
I like him for what he does. Plus, he has been in a program that pursued excellence. I really like that about him. But as someone mentioned, he has zero head coaching experience and we would be taking another "chance" with him learning on the job as Gus did.
Posted on 10/20/20 at 8:05 am to MikeAV8s
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Bill Clark
Everyone keeps looking past him. Dumb. He checks all the boxes for what we need. Instead, unrealistic people keep bringing up Kiffin. #1- Kiffin IS NOT LEAVING HIS CURRENT JOB AFTER ONE FREAKING YEAR! #2- Kiffin has severe ethical issues. #3- There is a lot of doubt that we could afford him. Hiring him is one thing. Paying off Gus at the same time it another.
Posted on 10/20/20 at 10:28 am to greygoose
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Everyone keeps looking past him. Dumb. He checks all the boxes for what we need. Instead, unrealistic people keep bringing up Kiffin. #1- Kiffin IS NOT LEAVING HIS CURRENT JOB AFTER ONE FREAKING YEAR! #2- Kiffin has severe ethical issues. #3- There is a lot of doubt that we could afford him. Hiring him is one thing. Paying off Gus at the same time it another.
Kiffin would most definitely leave after one year, are you kidding me? What part of his past history dictates that he gives any care towards "not leaving a job too soon" LOL?
Bill Clark is a good coach, but he's not the type of hire we can make at this point coming out of UAB. He's a guy that you can hire if he had 2-3 years of experience at a bottom-tier P5 school. Its too big a jump to suggest UAB to Auburn. This Friday will be a big matchup: Bill Clark vs. Billy Napier. Watch that one because Napier will be a top candidate.
Posted on 10/20/20 at 10:57 am to metafour
Kiffin hasn’t done anything to make me believe he can build and sustain a program like Auburn.
Posted on 10/20/20 at 11:14 am to metafour
quote:Our last 5 HCs came to us from HC jobs at the following programs:
Bill Clark is a good coach, but he's not the type of hire we can make at this point coming out of UAB. He's a guy that you can hire if he had 2-3 years of experience at a bottom-tier P5 school.Its too big a jump to suggest UAB to Auburn.
Arkansas State
Iowa State
Ole Miss
Samford (FCS)
Wyoming
That's two small conference schools, one lower division school, and two P5 programs that have a combined 0 conference titles in the last 57 years*.
* ETA: Ole Miss managed 5 SEC titles in the 50s and early 60s. Iowa State has 0 titles in 92 years as a member of the Big12 and its earlier incarnations.
This post was edited on 10/20/20 at 11:19 am
Posted on 10/20/20 at 11:35 am to FearlessFreep
Those guys we hired had compounded experience at major programs on their resumes. Gus Malzahn wasn't hired because he won 9-games at Arkansas State once, he was hired because he carried the badge of his offense setting the SEC on fire. Had he never done that, he never would have been a candidate.
When you're a guy like Bill Clark who doesn't have ANY experience as an assistant with a major program, you need to work your way up to a job like Auburn by moving up the ladder and proving more. The guy went from HS coach to UAB (stints at South Alabama and Jacksonville State which are the same level). Hasn't spent time at any major program or under any big-name coach to soak in how it all operates. Its just too big a risk even though he absolutely LOOKS like a good coach.
When you're a guy like Bill Clark who doesn't have ANY experience as an assistant with a major program, you need to work your way up to a job like Auburn by moving up the ladder and proving more. The guy went from HS coach to UAB (stints at South Alabama and Jacksonville State which are the same level). Hasn't spent time at any major program or under any big-name coach to soak in how it all operates. Its just too big a risk even though he absolutely LOOKS like a good coach.
This post was edited on 10/20/20 at 11:36 am
Posted on 10/20/20 at 11:46 am to metafour
We need a coach that can walk into a 5 star recruit's living room and it be a big deal.
Bill Clark isn't that. I don't doubt that he could maintain the Gus 8-4 status quo, but we want better.
Kiffin, Stoops, Meyer, Venables, Cristobal meet the "wow" factor recruiting wise.
Billy Napier is intriguing because I think he kinda checks all of boxes. But he is still kind of an unknown...
Bill Clark isn't that. I don't doubt that he could maintain the Gus 8-4 status quo, but we want better.
Kiffin, Stoops, Meyer, Venables, Cristobal meet the "wow" factor recruiting wise.
Billy Napier is intriguing because I think he kinda checks all of boxes. But he is still kind of an unknown...
Posted on 10/20/20 at 10:25 pm to BuckFama334
Billy Napier is intriguing because I think he kinda checks all of boxes.
Dont know a lot about him but he seems to be doing better than past coaches at ULL. Not sure if he would be my 1st choice but dont think I would be upset about it.
My only request is that we keep T-Will as LB coach as I think he is doing a great job.
Dont know a lot about him but he seems to be doing better than past coaches at ULL. Not sure if he would be my 1st choice but dont think I would be upset about it.
My only request is that we keep T-Will as LB coach as I think he is doing a great job.
Posted on 10/21/20 at 6:20 am to BuckFama334
Agreed. Stoops is the man for the job
Posted on 10/21/20 at 7:45 am to jvilletiger25
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Stoops is the man for the job
I don't know why Stoops keeps popping up. He's 60 and I just don't see him having the fire to coach again.
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