Started By
Message

re: Calzada is a major upgrade over Finley

Posted on 1/6/22 at 9:34 pm to
Posted by jangalang
Member since Dec 2014
36461 posts
Posted on 1/6/22 at 9:34 pm to
quote:

have seen you defend Bo up, down and sideways since the day he left.

I’ve been defending him since the Georgia State game. So what? I wanted the best player on the field against LSU and I want the best player on the field now. I’ll eventually warm up to Calzada but the reasons that Bo is in Eugene and Calzada is in Auburn are inexcusable. We all know the reasons are a mixture of
1. He was not appreciated
2. He was not given a roster to do well in and had to leave.

1- is a fan issue. 2. Inexcusable. We are not in the sun belt. Stop telling me to move on. I’ll warm up to Calzada when the time comes.
Posted by MrAUTigers
Florida
Member since Sep 2013
28286 posts
Posted on 1/6/22 at 9:39 pm to
quote:

1. He was not appreciated


agreed

quote:

2. He was not given a roster to do well in and had to leave.


somewhat agree.


The point I have been making, and others as well, the book is closed on him at Auburn. Comparing what he has done vs. this-or-that QB is useless. It appears you just want to argue for argue sake.
Posted by Rabern57
Alabama
Member since Jan 2010
13363 posts
Posted on 1/6/22 at 9:55 pm to
Really doesn't matter who we have at QB behind our OLine.
Posted by Skyler97
Member since Mar 2014
4482 posts
Posted on 1/6/22 at 10:03 pm to
quote:

2. He was not given a roster to do well in and had to leave.


He was one of the worst QBs in the league last year with two NFL WR. I’m not even trying to hate but that’s a luxury most QBs don’t get
Posted by AuSteeler
montgomery. AL
Member since Jan 2015
2989 posts
Posted on 1/6/22 at 10:18 pm to
Who are the WRs? None of them made the all sec teams.
If your talking about weydemyer he was a TE.
Calzada had only been a starter this year and he has his strengths and weaknesses and he’s very accurate on long balls. Hopefully Harsin and Davis will work w him so we’ll see.

It’s not always about the stats.
Posted by Skyler97
Member since Mar 2014
4482 posts
Posted on 1/6/22 at 10:23 pm to
I was referring to Nix having two NFL picks at receiver in 2020
Posted by jangalang
Member since Dec 2014
36461 posts
Posted on 1/6/22 at 10:26 pm to
That was a lame duck year but I don’t really know why we have to go to 2020 to make a point. The offense was a go route or a sideline WR screen. His passing rating was weak (right there with Stetson Bennet) last year but improved this year. He also nearly had 400 rushing yards last year.

But the offense was rather weak. 19 total TD, 2800 total yards in 11 games isn’t the absolute worst. It was just average last year.



But Nix actually improved his passing numbers this year. Even if only marginally. So maybe it was just the 2 receivers that were passengers in the offense?
This post was edited on 1/6/22 at 11:01 pm
Posted by Skyler97
Member since Mar 2014
4482 posts
Posted on 1/6/22 at 10:49 pm to
Well I mean he’s only played three years so it’s hard not to look at 2020. You already said you didn’t wanna look at 2019 since he was a freshman.

And he had 465 combined passes and rushes last year. He just didn’t have a ton of yards because he was under 7 yards per attempt passing and under 4 rushing.

I still don’t think Bo is bad but I think you are kinda overrating him. I mean we saw what we were with him and our oline and WR. We went 6-7. Maybe we got 8-5 if he doesn’t get hurt but really he’s proven he’s not gonna consistently carry a team
Posted by jangalang
Member since Dec 2014
36461 posts
Posted on 1/6/22 at 11:14 pm to
quote:

still don’t think Bo is bad but I think you are kinda overrating him. I mean we saw what we were with him and our oline and WR. We went 6-7. Maybe we got 8-5 if he doesn’t get hurt but really he’s proven he’s not gonna consistently carry a team

I’m not trying to say he could’ve been Joe Burrow or Matt Corral for us. I don’t get the anguish over his existence. His stats have improved, even if marginally despite losing Stove/ Schwartz/ and Williams despite averaging marginally less passes per game.
Even if he only marginally improved the same amount for his senior year he would have stats somewhere in the ball park of 12 games, 64% passing percentage, 2800 yards passing, about 15 passing TDs, 5 rushing TDs, 5 INTs. He would own the QB records and no team goals, so he would get a nice see you later. That’s just a decent ending to a decent QB. Just from looking at Harsin’s QB stats, that’s about what Harsin has been getting out of his guys anyway.
This post was edited on 1/6/22 at 11:15 pm
Posted by Skyler97
Member since Mar 2014
4482 posts
Posted on 1/6/22 at 11:23 pm to
I agree with you, I think most people are just frustrated we are debating over whether or not a five star QB can hit 20 TDs next season.

I like Bo and would take him back, but he absolutely didn’t live up to his status and I think it burned a lot of people. I think a lot of people see a guy like Malik Willis go out and outperform Bo ( I understand the circumstances are different) and get frustrated.

I wish he had Bo over calzada. I think calzada is a slight better Finley. But I’m not gonna be too upset over Bo leaving because I think it was best for him and allows us to get a jump start on moving on even if it hurts our record by a game or two
Posted by AUX3
Member since Dec 2010
3447 posts
Posted on 1/7/22 at 7:14 am to
Calzada over Nix. Nix was not a leader.

Nix freshman year he had plenty of talent and a defense that was absolute bad arse. Wasted that season and with a decent QB, it was a ship year.

He never improved and everybody blamed Malzahn. Nix was what people would call a coach killer. Supposed to be good, but wasn’t.
If you require all these ‘parts’, you ain’t that good. Fact
Posted by jangalang
Member since Dec 2014
36461 posts
Posted on 1/7/22 at 7:56 am to
quote:

Nix freshman year he had plenty of talent


Should Bo apologize because a TF QB was our best chance to win? Isn’t that a coaching problem?

Calzada had shittier stats than Bo’s freshman year despite having three 1st round draft picks on offense. You’re a couple fries short of a happy meal. Tough luck
This post was edited on 1/7/22 at 8:07 am
Posted by AUWDE
Member since Oct 2013
3187 posts
Posted on 1/7/22 at 7:57 am to
Was Nix a coach killer or was Malzahn a QB killer?

Let’s be real, Malzahn’s track record with QBs (not coached by others and brought in one year as a transfer) was not great. At all.

Nix improved a lot under Harsin, who actually does have a strong reputation regarding QB development.
Posted by Pettifogger
Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone
Member since Feb 2012
79190 posts
Posted on 1/7/22 at 8:16 am to
quote:

1. He was not appreciated



He got no more criticism than any other QB with middling performance at a big program. It's bizarre to continue the trope otherwise. Now, you can say it was hard for him to deal with considering AU is his lifetime love, but that's quite different.

quote:

2. He was not given a roster to do well in and had to leave.



Plenty of 3 star QBs deal with inferior talent and are as productive/more productive than Bo.

The reality is this. Some people take 3 years of Bo tape and go "well, we probably know who this guy is. He's very athletic, he's tough, he usually takes care of the football, he's got a bad deep ball, can't make a lot of throws consistently, doesn't seem to be much of a leader for the offense, lacks touch on his passes but can hurt you with his legs."

Others are convinced he's a superstar limited by the circumstances.

One is reasonable and evidenced, the other is childish.
Posted by jangalang
Member since Dec 2014
36461 posts
Posted on 1/7/22 at 8:21 am to
quote:

Plenty of 3 star QBs deal with inferior talent and are as productive/more productive than Bo.

I’m sure they deal with inferior competition and expectations too.
I wish y’all would pick a narrative and stick with it.


quote:

The reality is this. Some people take 3 years of Bo tape and go "well, we probably know who this guy is. He's very athletic, he's tough, he usually takes care of the football, he's got a bad deep ball, can't make a lot of throws consistently, doesn't seem to be much of a leader for the offense, lacks touch on his passes but can hurt you with his legs."

Is that all you saw or is that what the rant told you to see? It’s no wonder that you think Bo receives no more criticism than the rest of the QBs. You’re just another moron. If Bo cannot run for his life to get wins like he did against LSU he must suck right?
This post was edited on 1/7/22 at 8:28 am
Posted by Pettifogger
Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone
Member since Feb 2012
79190 posts
Posted on 1/7/22 at 9:01 am to
quote:

Is that all you saw or is that what the rant told you to see? It’s no wonder that you think Bo receives no more criticism than the rest of the QBs. You’re just another moron. If Bo cannot run for his life to get wins like he did against LSU he must suck right?



What I find so amusing in all of this is that we all know with 100% certainty that if this board was generally pro-Bo you'd be anti-Bo

Such is your contrarian schtick. I've known scores of dudes just like you, you deliver substantive blows to the dumbest posters and then do this ^ non-substantive gibberish whenever someone calls you out in a way you can't compellingly rebut

And of course, that's because these aren't even your actual opinions, you're just playing a part. To appease you:

quote:

I’m sure they deal with inferior competition and expectations too.



Yeah, that's what happens when you play in an inferior program. You have fewer resources and less competition. Bo had more resources and more competition. Hence, the comparison doesn't change.

quote:

I wish y’all would pick a narrative and stick with it.



A good example of a filler comment - it says nothing, it's non-substantive, but it's aggressive and makes it seem like you're still on offense

quote:

Is that all you saw or is that what the rant told you to see?


Another example of the same thing. What does this even mean? I guarantee you don't even disagree with that assessment.

quote:

It’s no wonder that you think Bo receives no more criticism than the rest of the QBs.


Is it "no wonder"? You're tailing off here

quote:

If Bo cannot run for his life to get wins like he did against LSU he must suck right?


Strawman city now, 99% of the posters here would agree Bo doesn't suck, crybaby
Posted by Poker Dough
Atlanta
Member since Jan 2018
8602 posts
Posted on 1/7/22 at 9:14 am to
A fat woman with 1 leg is an improvement over humping a pillow. Doesn't mean you tell anyone about it
This post was edited on 1/7/22 at 9:23 am
Posted by jangalang
Member since Dec 2014
36461 posts
Posted on 1/7/22 at 9:17 am to
quote:

What I find so amusing in all of this is that we all know with 100% certainty that if this board was generally pro-Bo you'd be anti-Bo

Incorrect. You’re already starting off on the right foot.
quote:

Yeah, that's what happens when you play in an inferior program. You have fewer resources and less competition. Bo had more resources and more competition. Hence, the comparison doesn't change.

Yet Bo has fewer resources than all of his competition. His talent level at the OL and WR positions were right up there with Vanderbilt and below Kentucky. Those are the facts. I don’t care about how QBs on inferior teams do if they’re playing against inferior talent. Don’t give Bo shite talent and tell him to go compete against Bama, Georgia, LSU and say well “I thought you were a 5*”
This post was edited on 1/7/22 at 9:22 am
Posted by jangalang
Member since Dec 2014
36461 posts
Posted on 1/7/22 at 9:20 am to
quote:

Another example of the same thing. What does this even mean? I guarantee you don't even disagree with that assessment.


I disagree actually. You have been nothing but wrong. I don’t think he was a bad passer.

quote:

Strawman city now, 99% of the posters here would agree Bo doesn't suck, crybaby

That’s news to me. Wanna lie some more?
This post was edited on 1/7/22 at 9:26 am
Posted by jangalang
Member since Dec 2014
36461 posts
Posted on 1/7/22 at 9:33 am to
Btw I was a Gatewood fan while everyone else liked Bo and I had my own reasons for doing so.


Maybe I’m” contrarian” but group think isn’t going to tell me how I should feel about Bo when y’all are hot and cold on him. I can think for myself

You can frick off attacking my character.
This post was edited on 1/7/22 at 9:35 am
first pageprev pagePage 3 of 6Next pagelast page

Back to top
logoFollow SECRant for SEC Football News
Follow us on Twitter and Facebook to get the latest updates on SEC Football and Recruiting.

FacebookTwitter