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re: Bo puttin in that Hard Work
Posted on 5/19/21 at 11:26 am to Fear The Thumb
Posted on 5/19/21 at 11:26 am to Fear The Thumb
Bo has shown flashes that he could be a good SEC QB............the same can be said for Stidham. Both of them have zero pocket awareness. Hopefully Bo will improve in that aspect of the game. I also hope he fixes some of his many mechanical flaws. When he sets his feet, he fires strikes. The problem is, he doesn't do that often enough.
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Posted on 5/19/21 at 11:31 am to MrAUTigers
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I also hope he fixes some of his many mechanical flaws. When he sets his feet, he fires strikes. The problem is, he doesn't do that often enough.
All of this is true.
Posted on 5/19/21 at 11:39 am to TheJones
No defense? how bout no offensive line? His problems last year started and ended with a bunch of meatheads on the OL.
Posted on 5/19/21 at 12:01 pm to bawbarn
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Pure arm talent? Inaccurate and really doesn’t have a rocket. I’m just not sure what you see with him. Maybe he’ll take a step forward this year, but you always seem to make him out to be NFL talent, and he’s not.
But Bo threw a Dime to Seth in the Iron Bowl but he drop it.
This post was edited on 5/19/21 at 12:02 pm
Posted on 5/19/21 at 12:08 pm to FearlessFreep
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Still makes absolutely no sense to practice something you would never, ever do in a game
It's a drill to help with read & react timing. It makes perfect sense why you would do a drill like that. It is supposed to be an extreme so that when you say, are reading one side of the field and flip to the other and need to make a quick decision, it is much simpler than what you are doing in the drill.
Posted on 5/19/21 at 2:57 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
Yes just a drill as described. No different then OL blocking a sled. That wouldn’t be done on a football field in a game either. Or speed and agility ladder drills. No one would every run like that on the football field.
Posted on 5/19/21 at 7:10 pm to CorchJay
I believe the difference will be the receivers we have this year. On paper its a highly ranked group...on paper. And not just one guy ala Seth.
Corch you have mentioned this many times and you are right, good receivers can make a good QB look like a world beater. By no means are our guys on the level of bamas this year, but that crew made Jones. Forget the acrobatic ones, a couple that stand out.
In the playoffs DeVanta is running a skinny post, corner a step behind and safety barreling towards him, Mac should not have thrown it, if he threw in stride its an int, so he throws behind DeVanta at hip level, who snags it in stride takes one gliding step blowing past the safety for a score, a thing of beauty.
And Waddle, how many poorly underthrown balls did he go up on a ladder to prevent an int and make a catch, knowing he was going to get slobber knocked (no doubt one of the reasons he went so high in the draft).
I think they will step up this fall and we will see a difference in Bo like (okay hope) similar to the leap Burrow and Mac Jones took. We can hope, I like the glasses
Corch you have mentioned this many times and you are right, good receivers can make a good QB look like a world beater. By no means are our guys on the level of bamas this year, but that crew made Jones. Forget the acrobatic ones, a couple that stand out.
In the playoffs DeVanta is running a skinny post, corner a step behind and safety barreling towards him, Mac should not have thrown it, if he threw in stride its an int, so he throws behind DeVanta at hip level, who snags it in stride takes one gliding step blowing past the safety for a score, a thing of beauty.
And Waddle, how many poorly underthrown balls did he go up on a ladder to prevent an int and make a catch, knowing he was going to get slobber knocked (no doubt one of the reasons he went so high in the draft).
I think they will step up this fall and we will see a difference in Bo like (okay hope) similar to the leap Burrow and Mac Jones took. We can hope, I like the glasses
Posted on 5/19/21 at 7:24 pm to trinidadtiger
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By no means are our guys on the level of bamas this year, but that crew made Jones.
Complete load of shite. You think Belichik drafted a QB in the FIRST round who was "made" by his receivers?
Bama's WR group is elite, but Jones put the ball where it needed to be pass after pass. That is ball placement and accuracy. Hence why Smith was able to repeatedly catch the ball in stride with zero wasted movement. It's the difference between a 15 yard "completion" and a 15 yard pass that he breaks for 30+ more yards.
Even when Bo has completed passes, they are high, low, behind, etc. You can literally watch him low-ball receivers on screens. SCREENS. His ball placement has been below average and so is his general accuracy. I can't see how anyone can honestly gloss over this - it is backed by not only all of the stats, but by just WATCHING the games.
Posted on 5/19/21 at 8:54 pm to metafour
Jones is very accurate severely underrated entering the season but had 4 years to develop with very good QB coaching plus has elite OL, elite WRs, and elite RBs.
We have one All-SEC type player on offense right now. Tank!
Hamm if he were at guard could be an all-sec type but not at right tackle. Bo has the talent. Arm motion and talent is there. Back foot throws happen at every level you just hope to minimize them. Pocket awareness is poor.
It's not always just ball placement which Bo is decent at some of you guys act like Bo is throwing over the head or at people's feet. Seth caught I think it was something like 20% of contested catches. Is that Bo or Seth, each play would have to be looked at individually to know.
We have one All-SEC type player on offense right now. Tank!
Hamm if he were at guard could be an all-sec type but not at right tackle. Bo has the talent. Arm motion and talent is there. Back foot throws happen at every level you just hope to minimize them. Pocket awareness is poor.
It's not always just ball placement which Bo is decent at some of you guys act like Bo is throwing over the head or at people's feet. Seth caught I think it was something like 20% of contested catches. Is that Bo or Seth, each play would have to be looked at individually to know.
Posted on 5/19/21 at 8:57 pm to AuburnFan2019
I think we've seen enough over the past decade to know that, talented or not, Bo reaching his potential under the previous staff was unlikely regardless of OL, WR, or any other surrounding personnel. I know I'm a homer but I don't see the emotional, personal level of vitriol many have for him. By most accounts he's certainly putting in the effort to become great. Hopefully he has some coaching now to help him get there.
This post was edited on 5/19/21 at 9:07 pm
Posted on 5/19/21 at 9:04 pm to AUEE13
Kellen frick Mond was an early 3rd round pick. If Mond is a early 3rd round pick Bo is definitely late 1st or early 2nd.
Posted on 5/20/21 at 7:53 am to CorchJay
quote:Have to admit there’s some logic in this comparison. However, Mond would have almost certainly gone undrafted after his first two seasons as a starter. And I seriously doubt we have to surrounding cast to bolster Nix’s development this year.
Kellen frick Mond was an early 3rd round pick. If Mond is a early 3rd round pick Bo is definitely late 1st or early 2nd.
Not quite ready to give up on him, though. We’ll see how things play out soon enough.
Posted on 5/20/21 at 8:21 am to FearlessFreep
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What the hell kind of drill was that at the :30 mark in the video?? He takes a shotgun snap from center, then turns around and throws it at a guy 30 yards behind the LOS?? What the actual frick ??
Its the Jeremy Johnson Drill.
Posted on 5/20/21 at 9:10 am to CorchJay
quote:I was a huge Bo Nix critic, let's face it, he has not played very well up to this point. That being said, I attribute much of that to coaching and scheme. It appears that we have a real coach stalking the sidelines now, along with a proven OC that has a history of developing QBs. I am optimistic going in this season for that alone. It's clear that Nix has the tools, the question remains as to whether the new staff can undo the crap from the last two seasons.
Bo needed a reset. He’s getting it. That excites me. If it doesn’t you then so be it but nothing at all personal to me about Bo. If anyone at AU was better I hope they play. If Findley comes in and takes the spot great. I want to win. Nothing else. Hope the best for the players but if they make it to the NFL great if not then tough. Given every opportunity to succeed at AU. The weight room, the diet and nutrition, competition, support staff and coaches. If you want it bad enough you can get it. If not they wouldn’t be at AU.
Posted on 5/20/21 at 9:38 am to CorchJay
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Kellen frick Mond was an early 3rd round pick. If Mond is a early 3rd round pick Bo is definitely late 1st or early 2nd.
You missed the part where Mond actually elevated his play dramatically - 63.3% completion, 146.9 QB rating, 19 TD's to just 3 INT's this past season. He has been better than Bo Nix in each of his past three seasons. I guess Bo Nix is capable of doing the same, but why phrase your statement as if it's already been done? He hasn't taken a single snap yet.
Mond is actually the perfect example of the cognitive dissonance of Box Nix apologists: they make fun of a quarterback who has empirically been superior to Bo Nix in every way. Even "bad" Kellen Mond was better than Bo Nix in each of the past two seasons. Forget the fact that Mond was actually GOOD last year. So imagine coming on here for over a year with stuff like "Bo Nix is great", "elite arm talent", "he's a 1st round lock" and then turn around and crack a joke about Kellen Mond LMAO.
Posted on 5/20/21 at 10:01 am to metafour
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You missed the part where Mond actually elevated his play dramatically - 63.3% completion, 146.9 QB rating, 19 TD's to just 3 INT's this past season. He has been better than Bo Nix in each of his past three seasons. I guess Bo Nix is capable of doing the same, but why phrase your statement as if it's already been done? He hasn't taken a single snap yet.
Mond is actually the perfect example of the cognitive dissonance of Box Nix apologists: they make fun of a quarterback who has empirically been superior to Bo Nix in every way. Even "bad" Kellen Mond was better than Bo Nix in each of the past two seasons. Forget the fact that Mond was actually GOOD last year. So imagine coming on here for over a year with stuff like "Bo Nix is great", "elite arm talent", "he's a 1st round lock" and then turn around and crack a joke about Kellen Mond LMAO.
Also, Mond had 3 years under Jimbo to become a better passer in a QB friendly pro offense Jimbo runs...And he improved each of those years till in his SR year he was able to put the stats up that got him a 3rd round draft pick.
It will be interesting to see if Bo can in the next 2 years also show that type of improvement like Mond did, in HArsin's offense to become more accurate and improve his QB efficiency rating...
But Bo will never be a 1st round pick IMO just bc of his lack of height and accuracy(He just doesn't have a 'throwers' arm delivery but more of a gunslinger type)...
IF, and a big IF, he can be a solid late 2nd rounder when he shows he can stay in the pocket, deliver accurate throws, and find his progressions in an offense like Harsin's...
Posted on 5/20/21 at 4:01 pm to metafour
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Complete load of shite. You think Belichik drafted a QB in the FIRST round who was "made" by his receivers?
Hmm, is this the same coach who got rid of the superbowl winner and picked up Cam and Stidham? How did that work out?
Im not saying Jones is not good, but check the highlight reels of Smith and Waddle and get back to me with passes in stride comments.
Bo has accuracy issues, no one is arguing that, but better receivers would sure help.
Posted on 5/20/21 at 4:23 pm to trinidadtiger
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Im not saying Jones is not good, but check the highlight reels of Smith and Waddle and get back to me with passes in stride comments.
I've seen him throw the ball and place it exactly where it needs to be. Time after time. And guess what? The NFL agrees with me - not you. Notwithstanding whatever you think of Belichik, he was a CONSENSUS first round pick. Or are we of the opinion that you have watched more tape, and/or interpreted it "more appropriately" than dozens of NFL scouts, coaches, personnel, etc?
Posted on 5/20/21 at 4:37 pm to MrAUTigers
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I also hope he fixes some of his many mechanical flaws. When he sets his feet, he fires strikes.
His feet are his mechanical flaw when throwing, and that covers all the other things IMO. Which I always thought was shocking given his Dad and how long he's been taking reps. Part of that is being in the shotgun all his life IMO.
Pocket awareness is another major flaw. He has no pocket awareness, and again I'd say its partially because he's always been in the shotgun and never steps up into a pocket. Also, he has good wheels so in high school you can get out of jams by moving around. Less so in college.
10+ yard throws and deep balls are also suspect. That's footwork. All fixable and you know he'll work at it if he's coached. I'm just suprised he didn't get this from his Dad.
Posted on 5/20/21 at 5:25 pm to CorchJay
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Jones is very accurate severely underrated entering the season but had 4 years to develop with very good QB coaching plus has elite OL, elite WRs, and elite RBs.
Correct.
When a program is run PROPERLY, you generally don't start a freshman unless he comes in and is extraordinary. And you have a good, veteran O-Line and skill players. Honestly, Bo should just now be in the conversation of playing. Malik Willis should have been starting the last 2 season, and now Joey Gatewood & Bo Nix should be competing for the starting QB job as a RS Jr & RS Soph....not like 2019.
But Gus...
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