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Posted on 4/29/20 at 10:17 am to scleeb
Posted on 4/29/20 at 10:27 am to AA7
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Stay safe Jones
Posted on 4/29/20 at 10:46 am to GoCrazyAuburn
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instead of looking at individual states rationally, is beyond stupid
Pretty much every state claims the major obstacle to doing this is lack of testing. Hard to assess a problem when you can't figure out just what the problem is.
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Yep. The only people I think truly lied to us were the media. They sensationalized this to absurd levels.
This is caused in large part by a testing failure. Right now, the confirmed case mortality rate is ~5.5% which is scary AF. The way we know that 5.5% is a sampling bias error is because with more testing the rate goes down.
As in, if we tested early and often, people would know the true scale of this problem from the beginning.
This post was edited on 4/29/20 at 10:54 am
Posted on 4/29/20 at 10:50 am to GenesChin
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Not sure what the government has been doing for the past 4 months that we've known about this
Who tests more than we do? Those goalposts sure do keep moving, interesting to see.
Posted on 4/29/20 at 11:06 am to blzr
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Who tests more than we do?
Timing matters, as I mentioned in my edit I was making before your post. We didn't even become the leader until the end of March.
The goal though is not just to test the most, it is to test the right amount. According to state governors/epidemiologists, we aren't close to there yet
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Those goalposts sure do keep moving, interesting to see.
The goalposts I am setting as the bare minimum is for the testing goals set by the administration, which they rarely seem to meet.
For example, Mike Pence's remarks on March 9th
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Over a million tests have been distributed. Before the end of this week, another 4 million tests will be distributed.
Official Whitehouse presser -- Reference, we reached 4million more tests ~Apr20, about 1.5 months after promised
Other promises
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administration will fail to meet its promise to make 1 million tests for novel coronavirus available by the end of this week,
LINK from Mar 5 -- Reference, we didn't have 1 million test results until Mar 31, 2-3 weeks after promised
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Anybody that needs a test, gets a test,” Trump said on March 6. “They have the tests. And the tests are beautiful.” He said the same day: “Anybody that wants a test can get a test.
LINK
This post was edited on 4/29/20 at 11:09 am
Posted on 4/29/20 at 11:08 am to blzr
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Those goalposts sure do keep moving
This has been the biggest power grab since 9/11. As a Libertarian, this has been a very disturbing display of gov't.
The gov't literally shut down our primary source of income without ANY compensation or recourse all the while they left our competitors open to have record months. Insanity.
Posted on 4/29/20 at 11:08 am to GenesChin
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“They have the tests. And the tests are beautiful.”
Politics aside, what a freaking weirdo
Posted on 4/29/20 at 11:12 am to GenesChin
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We didn't even become the leader until the end of March.
But we are? Got it.
First it was don’t overwhelm the health system, check. Now it’s muh tests and muh vaccine
love it.Posted on 4/29/20 at 11:14 am to GenesChin
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GenesChin
I highly recommend not participating in these
Posted on 4/29/20 at 11:25 am to HailToTheChiz
There is also a current law that makes wearing masks a crime.
Posted on 4/29/20 at 11:27 am to TheJones
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highly recommend not participating in these
Ya, I think I'm about done. When I want to torture myself, I dive in
I find it interesting that the people who feel strongly this isn't a big deal aren't pushing for more testing, to definitely prove it isn't a big deal
I just want this whole thing to be over. In my mind, if we widecale test and it is nothing major we can confidently get back to life. If we test and big deal we know to allocate even more resources to vaccines / treatment. We are throwing $ around everywhere, might as well throw even more to testing
This post was edited on 4/29/20 at 11:28 am
Posted on 4/29/20 at 11:31 am to GenesChin
I get where your head is at. Without adequate testing we can never have confidence in our models and their forecasts, so we can’t make educated decisions.
These antibody testing results out of NYC and California have given me a degree of optimism that the real mortality rates might be way lower than previously thought. Guess we will see.
These antibody testing results out of NYC and California have given me a degree of optimism that the real mortality rates might be way lower than previously thought. Guess we will see.
Posted on 4/29/20 at 11:47 am to GenesChin
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Timing matters, as I mentioned in my edit I was making before your post. We didn't even become the leader until the end of March.
The goal though is not just to test the most, it is to test the right amount. According to state governors/epidemiologists, we aren't close to there yet
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Those goalposts sure do keep moving, interesting to see.
The goalposts I am setting as the bare minimum is for the testing goals set by the administration, which they rarely seem to meet.
For example, Mike Pence's remarks on March 9th
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Over a million tests have been distributed. Before the end of this week, another 4 million tests will be distributed.
Official Whitehouse presser -- Reference, we reached 4million more tests ~Apr20, about 1.5 months after promised
Other promises
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administration will fail to meet its promise to make 1 million tests for novel coronavirus available by the end of this week,
LINK from Mar 5 -- Reference, we didn't have 1 million test results until Mar 31, 2-3 weeks after promised
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Anybody that needs a test, gets a test,” Trump said on March 6. “They have the tests. And the tests are beautiful.” He said the same day: “Anybody that wants a test can get a test.
LINK
Just to clarify. I have no problem with those of us, that find fault with statements made from the administration. But be sure to stay up to date on your opinions when followup information is reported to explain the issue.
For example, Pence this week clarified that statement about the 1 million tests and the 4 million tests in that March statement. What the admin didn't know on March 9th but was proven over the following weeks was that these state labs that were to provide those results were so archaic and not capable of producing fast results. So The admin had to get the private sector involved to build better tests and utilize private labs that are much more efficient at doing large volumes of testing.
The bigger issue throughout all this was our health system nationwide and our ability to handle a pandemic was severely lacking in scaling to this large numbers crisis whether it be the patient, the supplies or the testing equipment used.
I am not going to blame EVERYONE or NOT BELIEVE ANYONE when it comes to problems this pandemic has created. It has happened to every major country not just the US.
I am a conservative, but I try to listen to all sides, but we as simply citizens have no access to the internal mechanisms that know the truth. All, we can do his have our opinions. But to blame everyone and everything. NOPE.
Posted on 4/29/20 at 12:02 pm to GenesChin
I have appreciated your posts in these threads. Brings the board back to reality.
Posted on 4/29/20 at 12:06 pm to TheJones
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I highly recommend not participating in these
I have to remind myself every time I get on here that it’s not worth it
Posted on 4/29/20 at 12:50 pm to AA7
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I have to remind myself every time I get on here that it’s not worth it
I agree. After reading all the 'intense' feedback on this topic (which we all know is a 'no-win' situation), I had to really hold back my reactions.
I failed..in that I did make one post...but I feel a little better now, and hope to not succumb to reactionists anymore on this thread.
Posted on 4/29/20 at 12:53 pm to GenesChin
I don’t disagree with anything you’ve said. This has all been handled incredibly poorly from all levels, starting with the CDC. My main point is more to the doubling down that is starting to happen, instead of re-assessing. We are already seeing that what we thought was true two months ago, was very wrong. This has been here much longer than we thought, and the infection rate is much higher.
Instead of taking a step back and being more reasonable in areas that this really hasn’t been an issue, the goalposts are just getting moved to try and justify the continued use of the original ordinances put in place and extend some of them.
Instead of taking a step back and being more reasonable in areas that this really hasn’t been an issue, the goalposts are just getting moved to try and justify the continued use of the original ordinances put in place and extend some of them.
Posted on 4/29/20 at 1:37 pm to AuSteeler
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I am a conservative, but I try to listen to all sides
Compared to my care factor about who is president/congress, I care a lot more about my:
-Job
-Family/Parents
-Friends & their careers
I just want to feel like we are handling this instead of trying to spin it.
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Pence this week clarified that statement
This is meta to come up in a conversation about moving the goalposts
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What the admin didn't know on March 9th but was proven over the following weeks was that these state labs that were to provide those results were so archaic and not capable of producing fast results. So The admin had to get the private sector involved
They made these comments after private sector labs received approval due to known limitations in state labs. For example, Quest diagnostics had approval and began testing on March 9th.
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Quest Diagnostics, one of the country's largest lab companies, has run and reported the results of nearly 550,000 coronavirus tests since the company began testing March 9
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The bigger issue throughout all this was our health system nationwide and our ability to handle a pandemic was severely lacking in scaling to this large numbers crisis whether it be the patient, the supplies or the testing equipment used.
I agree that this issue exploited a major lack of preparation. We are fortunate that this isn't significantly more deadly given how flat footed we were
People have been making these warnings of potential virus threat for years, but everyone knows when you have to make budget cuts "just in case" spending is always first to go
This post was edited on 4/29/20 at 1:51 pm
Posted on 4/29/20 at 1:49 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
Its' hard to put blame when one see's all countries scrambling and having problems w/ how to contain the virus, the lack of testing speed, equipment and supplies issues.
We have learned that globalism doesn't work well when countries need massive amounts of supplies, but have to go outside their own countries and try to rely on the one place that started the virus(China), because like the US was outsourcing so many of their supplies and equipment businesses to China.
Also, besides the CDC, it looks like HHS and their Secretary is going to take a hit, bc he and his org didn't warn the President early enough and didn't emphasize enough the gravity of the issue(even Dr. Fauci was stating such in mid to late February).
I feel the GPs are moving because it is simply hard to prognosticate when relying on models that can't get the real data needed (bc how do you test 350 million peope?).
We have learned that globalism doesn't work well when countries need massive amounts of supplies, but have to go outside their own countries and try to rely on the one place that started the virus(China), because like the US was outsourcing so many of their supplies and equipment businesses to China.
Also, besides the CDC, it looks like HHS and their Secretary is going to take a hit, bc he and his org didn't warn the President early enough and didn't emphasize enough the gravity of the issue(even Dr. Fauci was stating such in mid to late February).
I feel the GPs are moving because it is simply hard to prognosticate when relying on models that can't get the real data needed (bc how do you test 350 million peope?).
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