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Posted on 7/2/21 at 1:06 pm to TheJones
Here’s 247’s summary on Geriner from Day 1. They had him as a top 6 performer
247’s summary in Day 2:
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Holden Geriner, Savannah (Ga.)
Benedictine Military School, committed to Auburn
Geriner was as consistent as any passer and solid throughout the day, showing good touch on his deeper passes. Geriner was hitting his receivers between the numbers, in stride, with a smooth release, and showing a bevy of throws tonight to all levels.
247’s summary in Day 2:
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247Sports Player Evaluation for Holden Geriner: "Having played 7-on-7 the day prior, he wasn't quite as sharp as he has been at prior events, but did flash some impressive tools. Geriner is excited to meet the Auburn staff in person once the NCAA dead period is lifted over the summer. Geriner threw for 2,770 yards and 25 touchdowns to just three interceptions as a junior." — 247Sports national recruiting analyst Bud Elliott on Geriner's Elite 11 Orlando performance
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Posted on 7/2/21 at 1:09 pm to TheJones
Ah, OK. I see the summary you read.
Here’s day 1 from SI on Geriner (they had him #6 on the day still, out of 20)
Here’s day 1 from SI on Geriner (they had him #6 on the day still, out of 20)
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Another prospect extremely comfortable on the run, Geriner breezed through most of the drills presented to him Wednesday. Despite a delivery on a lower plane than some of his competitors, the Auburn commitment doesn’t sacrifice drive on the football upon its release. He sprayed it all over the field with confidence in looking like one of the best at the event. It shouldn’t surprise given how well Geriner did at both the Atlanta and Orlando regionals, where he was hard to miss with the effectiveness and whip-like motion he throws with.
Posted on 7/2/21 at 1:11 pm to AA7
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But does he paint with his balls?
I don’t think the “whip like motion” is a negative. I think that’s being reviewed pretty positively so far. The arm slot seems lower than others at the camp but it doesn’t seem to be hindering his performance. He’s pretty consistently coming in with high remarks
Posted on 7/2/21 at 1:31 pm to TheJones
Skimming through the Elite 11 thread on 247 today, I’m guessing Geriner will come in mid-pack again
Posted on 7/2/21 at 1:33 pm to TheJones
Yes. Not saying he isn't a stud QB. Just stacked up against other elite D1 QBs, he has an unusual release. The SEC can be hard on guys with accuracy issues. Still glad he is ours but I like deeper dives into the data.
Posted on 7/2/21 at 2:06 pm to AUCE05
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he has an unusual release.
Eh. According to the summaries, the release is great. The arm slot is low. Not sure that’s the same thing. And if i’m fixing one of the two, I’d rather it be the arm slot.
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Despite a delivery on a lower plane than some of his competitors, the Auburn commitment doesn’t sacrifice drive on the football upon its release
This is describing his arm slot. That’s really all. And the follow up demonstrates that it doesn’t take away from the release. A lower arm slot can be an issue with pass deflections. He’ll need to work it up higher.
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Gets it out very quickly. Concise throwing motion
Again, nice throwing motion described here.
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Geriner drops and throws with good posture and has plenty of zip on the ball with his whip-like motion. At one point, the Peach Stater hit four straight money throws where he has long appeared most comfortable, while on the move.
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It shouldn’t surprise given how well Geriner did at both the Atlanta and Orlando regionals, where he was hard to miss with the effectiveness and whip-like motion he throws with.
So, what’s being described here isn’t unusual or unorthodox. I actually couldn’t find those words in anything describing Geriner so far. He was the top performer at those camps. This is just a description of the quick snap release that Geriner throws with. It’s what you’d want to see. The other option is a slow, complicated, or clunky release. Move your arm like a whip (
). It’s just describing that quick movement. quote:
Holden Geriner with a strong showing thus far today too. Been a marksman with velocity. I thought he was good in the spring when we bumped him and he’s gotten better.
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He’s gotten stronger since the spring
Both of these from Wiltfong today. Again, that velocity is a product of that motion described above.
Day 1:
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Geriner was as consistent as any passer and solid throughout the day, showing good touch on his deeper passes. Geriner was hitting his receivers between the numbers, in stride, with a smooth release, and showing a bevy of throws tonight to all levels.
Again, the release gets high marks. The arm slot is a component of it, but I wouldn’t call that unorthodox or unusual still. But maybe my glasses are too O&B here. Especially with a kid from my neck of the woods.
The slow start on day 2 might sink him on the event but I also haven’t seen exactly what the issue was. That being said, they still didn’t have him lower than 12th. Guessing he’ll turn up around 10-12 today.
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Posted on 7/2/21 at 2:16 pm to TheJones
KN just said Auburn probably running 3rd for Darius Clemons behind Oregon and Penn St.
Posted on 7/2/21 at 2:17 pm to jt33
Mother fricker Why can’t we have nice things
Why can’t we have nice things 
Posted on 7/2/21 at 2:23 pm to TheJones
So does he stare the receiver down, go through multiple progressions, throw off his back foot, step up in the pocket, or head for the hills whenever pressured. And can he take constructive criticism?
Because we can live with hitting a man in stride and being credible backup.
Because we can live with hitting a man in stride and being credible backup.
Posted on 7/2/21 at 2:23 pm to TheJones
Yeah I actually thought he was one of the guys we we're leading for lol.
Posted on 7/2/21 at 2:41 pm to jt33
quote:Long way to go in this recruitment. If we get him on campus for a game I’ll feel better
KN just said Auburn probably running 3rd for Darius Clemons behind Oregon and Penn St.
Posted on 7/2/21 at 2:49 pm to Rig
Might be tough since he used his OV already. KN thinks his recruitment is far from over
This post was edited on 7/2/21 at 2:53 pm
Posted on 7/2/21 at 4:04 pm to TheJones
Iowa insider CB’d Riley-Ducker to Auburn
Posted on 7/2/21 at 4:19 pm to jt33
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KN just said Auburn probably running 3rd for Darius Clemons behind Oregon and Penn St.
Just on being from Oregon, I wouldn't put a lot of money on this kid coming so far to play for Auburn unless he really wants to get off the west coast...
Posted on 7/2/21 at 4:24 pm to TheJones
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I don’t think the “whip like motion” is a negative. I think that’s being reviewed pretty positively so far. The arm slot seems lower than others at the camp but it doesn’t seem to be hindering his performance. He’s pretty consistently coming in with high remarks
The key is consistency and arm strength and good push through his throws, which when I read the evals he passed very well.
The only concern, is when I hear 'whip like' throws, isn't that the way Bo throws it which to me causes some of the reasoning behind his poor accuracy?
OFC, his footwork adds to the problem, where it seems that Grenier(I will never get his name spelled correctly
) does have better mechanics from the waist down.Posted on 7/2/21 at 4:37 pm to AuSteeler
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isn't that the way Bo throws it which to me causes some of the reasoning behind his poor accuracy?
It think it’s pretty well documented that Bo’s biggest issue is footwork and throwing on the run. Because he’s much better when he steps up in the pocket, sets his feet, and throws. One of the reasons why he was such a touted prospect is the arm talent.
In his defense, behind that OL, it’s tempting to run and pockets aren’t always there. But his inaccuracy mostly derives from that, IMO.
As always, there’s nuance to these things. That’s not the only thing he has ever struggled with. And scheme hasn’t always helped him either.
Posted on 7/2/21 at 4:54 pm to AuSteeler
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The only concern, is when I hear 'whip like' throws, isn't that the way Bo throws it which to me causes some of the reasoning behind his poor accuracy?
Not really. I don't think i'd describe Bo's throwing as "whip like" to the same degree. It is some, but that isn't what makes Bo's accuracy bad. Whenever i've seen a throwing motion described like that, it generally is in reference to an overall quickness and snappiness of the throw. It is a short, compact, quick motion. Where as like a Byron Leftwich throwing motion is basically the exact opposite of that.
You can see some good examples of it here. Very snappy, quick release. The footwork is the key to accuracy. He doesn't have a hugely over the top delivery, but seems to have a lot of release points he can use.
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And here is Bo. They have pretty different releases.
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This post was edited on 7/2/21 at 4:58 pm
Posted on 7/2/21 at 5:09 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
So when they’re talking about that plane, or arm slot, this is what they’re talking about. So, below, you’ll see a pretty low arm slot. When he’s rushed this is the slot he’ll default toward. In this instance, he had a WR crossing the endzone from left to right and a small window to sneak it into.
Here’s from moments before. He’s got a much higher arm slot and you can see that posture people are talking about. He’s upright, chest out, and feet are well set. It’s a 7v7 without pass rushers, but on this throw, his WR was basically a step ahead of the LOS and he took his time. Still a quick release but the mechanics are a bit better
Arm slots in general were a huge talking point in the past but now we see QBs utilizing all kids of arm slots to make these incredible throws.
Here’s from moments before. He’s got a much higher arm slot and you can see that posture people are talking about. He’s upright, chest out, and feet are well set. It’s a 7v7 without pass rushers, but on this throw, his WR was basically a step ahead of the LOS and he took his time. Still a quick release but the mechanics are a bit better
Arm slots in general were a huge talking point in the past but now we see QBs utilizing all kids of arm slots to make these incredible throws.
Posted on 7/2/21 at 5:27 pm to TheJones
Dan Marino had a whipping motion, Id say he is in pretty good company 
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